so , you also think god is angry? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Emosaur Bringing judgement upon evil is not evil..

He created it as an option for the free willed beings he created.. If the beings you created are truly going to be beings with free will the option for rebellion must exist... So it does..

@Emosaur Yes Emosaur many Christians have had a gun held against their heads quite recently in places like Iraq, Syria and Indonesia and yes they demonstrated their free will not to convert to islam and preferred to get machined gunned into a ditch then renounce their hope in the LORD Jesus Christ..

Free will is the ability to make your decision.. Free will does not take away the consequences or possible consequences of what ever decision one decides to go with.. Free will has NEVER been the ability to do anything you want without consequences..

@Adstar Iran and Iraq are not places I'd recommend to any non muslim or sunni muslims. Shia gets scary and too often comes out in politics and fighting. May Allah bring the final day swiftly.

@HorrorshowHijabi From the OT prophet Amos
(Amos 5:18) "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."

Most of the Christians slaughtered in Iraq and Syria have been murdered by the most devout sunni muslims of the Wahhabi sect and their muslim brotherhood allies.. So people of your islamic sect have been the greatest murders of Christians with only the catholic religion probably being higher.. Then maybe the communists after sunni islam.. Shia muslims are very low on the list of Christian killers..

And anyway i do not believe mislims will see the day of the LORD.. The Anti Christ as part of his deception on the world will go out and destroy the muslim world.. He will desire to win over jews and false Christians and the masses to His rule.. And since muslims are now the most hated people on earth because of their terrorism and evil deeds destroy muslims will be very popular to the worldly..

@Adstar wahabbis are the same as shia as far as I'm concerned. Mixing sunnah with politics with an odd westernism and anti westeenism...just a mix of insanity.

Bible says ALL will see the final day as well as Quran. All have to account before Allah so in the end the crazies will have their due owed them.

@HorrorshowHijabi Wahabbis are the dominant sect in Saudi Arabia they are the pinicle of sunni islam .. Of course you seem to be trying to engage in takkiya deception but don't bother with me i know a fair bit about islam.. I guess your doing it for the other readers who know nothing about islam and have been brain washed into believing it is the religion of peace.. LOL

Anyway the Day of the LORD is not the same in Christianity as it is in Islam.. The final judgement which you seem to be pointing to happens 1000 years after the return of the LORD Jesus Christ and the battle of Armageddon.. Before this time the Anti-christ also called the beast will come and deceive many and lead the world and Christians into great suffering.. Of course God will then cause massive disasters to strike the earth so that the majority of the worlds population will be wiped out.. and then Jesus will be seen by all the survivors coming in the clouds with great might and glory.. He will smash the army of the beast that will be assembled on the plains of Megeddo in Israel an army of 200million troops will be driven insane and they will turn their wepons on each other.. No so much as a battle more like a mass suicide.. Anyway Jesus shall rule the earth in truth and justice for 1000 years..

@Adstar Takkiya is to preserve one's life,not bored chatting on sw. I wouldn't think toure trying to kill me so no reason to lie. But hey, if you need to make the world.in to us verse them then that's your choice. The djaal will come, the final day as well and Allah will hand judgement over to jesus pbuh. In the end justice will be served. I still wouldn't recommend Iran or iraq to christians or jews or Syria to anyone until things settle down there. Saudi has plenty of issues but at least the crime rates are crazy low and there's general civility between people. Veet big contrast to iran.

@HorrorshowHijabi I never promote and us verses them world view.. I am not out to do any physical harm to muslims.. As Jesus said i am to love even the ones who are enemies to me.. So i should love people who are muslims.. Not love them for being muslims.. That's like loving a rapist for being a rapist.. You love them because they are your fellow humans and are loved by God..

The ironic thing and this is how powerful the deception is upon muslims is i believe the muslims will fight against the Anti-christ or as you call him the djaal.. He will completely defeat islam and massacre the arabic people.. Why? because muslims are for the anti-christ already decieved and destined to the eternal lake of fire.. the Anti-christ hates all people so he has no problem sending a billion muslims to their deaths just to win over a few million people who he has not yet deceived..

So yes in the end justice will be served.. On that point we agree..

@Adstar Muslims dying to fight djaal are the same as anyone willing to fight the djaal. Better to fight evil than to simp and make excuses to accept evil. And Allah knows best.

@HorrorshowHijabi Christians in the end times will not be taking part in wars.. The ones taking part in wars will all be doomed to judgement of God.. Christians will follow the teachings of Jesus and they will turn their cheeks to persecutors and will be willing to be killed before picking up a weapon and killing others..

Killing an unsaved person is one of the most terrible things a person can do.. A saved person would much rather be killed and go and be with Jesus then take part in bloodshed in this world and send unbelievers into the eternal lake of fire.. Where there is life there is always hope that the unbeliever will come to believe Jesus before they die..

If i am executed in the future,, And the Bible tells me that many Christians will be beheaded in the time of the anti-christ then i will be hoping that my executioner will before he dies comes to believe Jesus so i can embrace him as a loved bother in Christ in eternity.. 🥰

@Adstar what if it's someone else being threatened? Children are innocent but let's say your bwat friend isn't saved and someone's coming at him with a knife. You'd help him I'd hope as that's defense.

@HorrorshowHijabi Innocent little ones have not sinned and therefore they are going to be with God in eternity.. If God came to me and offered to take me back in time so that i could die as a baby in my crib i would jump at the opportunity.. I would have loved to have died as an innocent little one..

People who love this life in this world will fight and kill others to secure longer life in this world.. Seems weird to me to see a muslim putting forward arguments supporting the idea of fighting to prelong life in this world when i hear so many devout muslims proclaim their willingness to die in the act of fighting jihad and the long to die fighting for allah to enter into paradise and get their reward..

As for an unsaved friend in the example you gave i would try to grab the killers knife and to prevent them killing the other.. But i would not try to kill the attacker..

@Adstar There are specific things that makea one consideres to be a martyr and while jihad is one of them There are many things considered martyrdom and jihad. Fighting someone to protect another is waging jihad,dying to protect another is martyrdom. It's not a fight for the world but to protect life which is sacred and a gift of Allah. Granted in the days of djaal it'll be harder to want to stay alive. But as long as Allah sees fit for us to live we have to protect our lives and others.

At least you'd try to protect in that hypothetical. But not everyone has such a peaceful resolution. May Allah keep is from those who would harm us.

@HorrorshowHijabi Keep people away from you that would harm you.. If someone is coming to kill you because you are a muslim then if you where a devout muslim you would wish and pray to allah to send to you someone who is going to kill you because you are a muslim.. That way you will die as a martyr and be garunteed paradise..

You seem not to know all the teachings about becoming a martyr in islam.. You do not have to die while engaging in combat to be a martyr in islam.. In islam you will be a martyr if you drown in water.. or if a building collapses on you, or if you die in a plague.. As a Sunni muslim you should accept Sahih al-Bukhari which states::

Sahih al-Bukhari 653
Then ( the prophet ) said "five are Martyrs: One who dies of plague, One who dies of abdominal disease, One who dies of drowning, one who is buried alive and dies, and one who is killed in allah's cause..

So all that a devout muslim has to do is go out and try their best to contract corona virus or die of food poisoning or hide in a building that is about to be demolished or go swimming out into an ocean..

Loving their lives and securing it in this world is NOT what a devout muslim believes or supports.. muhammad said::

Sahih al-bukhari 2795
narrated by Anas Bin Malik The prophet said " Nobody who dies and finds good in allah ( in the hereafter) would wish to come back to this world, even if he where to be given the whole world and everything in it. Except the Martyer on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to life and get killed again in allah's cause""..

So the question i have is why do i see so many muslims online praying to allah to protect muslims from the Corona virus ??? If they where devout muslims they would be praying for allah to send the corona virus to their homes and to see themselves and their family all die from it.. All their family would die as martyrs and all would be guaranteed entry into paradise..

@Adstar I mentioned there are many paths of martyrdom and jihad, read my earlier post. because while it is martyrdom life is a beautiful and precious thing even if this world is often not and society not at all. But we have moments of mercy Allah had given us and they're worth living for in His name. You are obsessed with death though which is disturbing. All is by Allah's will and His qadr so how were die is His business. But fir now I'm thankful to be alive subhanAllah..

@HorrorshowHijabi Your love for life in this world is not islamic.. All muslims should not be clinging to this earth they should be desiring to get out of this world and into paradise.. as muhammad said in the quran..

[b]Qur’an 9:38[/b] “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”

As the quran states muslims are slaves bought for a purpose::

[b]qur'an 9:111[/b] Surely allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this that they shall have the garden, they FIGHT in allahs way, so they SLAY and are SLAIN....

So a real muslim will be focused on becoming a martyr not telling people that life in this world is precious and to be defended..

@Adstar ummm... you do realize that Surah deals with a specific war and men going in to battle? I don't see christians demanding foreskins forntheir daughter's wedding gifts like the bible mentions. It's a time specific part of scripture in both cases.

I am not in the military, everyday life is jihad but it's not war and Allah has given me life to live alhamdulillah which I'm not going to throw away because a handful of wackos say I should or your pagan ranting about loving death. My jihads are between myself and Allah and so is my eman. If you want to deify death that's your choice.

@HorrorshowHijabi Now your losing it Horrorshow.. Ifi want to defy death?? What??? where have i stated that i want to defy death.. Nowhere..I have stated clearly that i am willing to die today and i wish God ended my life today.. But you're so rattled because i have revealed that you are a fake muslim.. You are the one defying the quran and the accepted hadiths you proclaim to believe in as the perfect word of allah.. You are the one muhammad is talking about in quran 9 38.. clinging to life in this world..

@Adstar You have nothing better to do than sit there yelling at a teenage girl about everyone's going to die and we should be happy to die and that somehow makes me a fake Muslim because I point out life is a beautiful gift of Allah?

I said deify death,not defy. None can defy death. But if all you can do is misquote Quran and hadith then go "uuuuuuuurrrrrr you not listen to my misuse of scripture so you is not real huuuuuuur" then you've already given away yourself.

@HorrorshowHijabi Remember horror You are posting reponces to My Opening post in this thread.. I did Not repond to your answer to the question posted by ihurtmychin.. You are following me around.. stalking my reponces.. You are the one who has nothing better to do then respond to my answers.. And you don't like it when you find someone who knows the quran and how evil it actually is..

Also as a side issue.. You have claimed that my quotes of the quran are false.. Now if any of my quotes of the quran are indeed accurate then what have you done,, as a muslim who should believe that the quran is the perfect eternal word of allah, you have declared the word of allah to be lies and that is akin to shirk right horror... You better be 100% correct with your claim that all my quotes are false.. But yeah they are not are they..

@Emosaur Not sure what you are saying there Emosaur """[b][u] Ah, and if no one is threatening you or holding you hostage you're basically a prisoner?[/u][/b]"" Either you have misread my response or you have posted your conclusion wrong.. Either way i cannot see how this i have quoted has anything to do with my post.. Please explain Why / how you came to the conclusion in the quoted part above..

Sorry that i have been wasting my time being distracted by horrorshowhijabi