Do you believe in a God? [Spirituality & Religion]

All around you! @canusernamebemyusername

@Speedyman I have a higher standard for evidence than "it just exists." Because I have been fooled by religious stuff before when I was looking desperately for God. I read into every small sign that I would come across. I found what I was looking for. But it turned out to be false. So now I have a much stricter control over what I consider evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The evidence is purely scientific if you just open your eyes@canusernamebemyusername

@Speedyman Can you provide any rigorously tested evidence that claims there is a creator? Some well known journals perhaps? Just open your eyes is not how the scientific method works.

Just open your eyes. As Kepler said, “Science is just thinking God's thoughts after him.” Try using some common sense for a change. ThisWhole nonsense that you need evidence to prove the creator is absolute rubbish. The atheist needs to prove that isn’t a creator in view of the overwhelming evidence that there is to anyone who opens their eyes@canusernamebemyusername

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@Speedyman Science does not have the power to prove a negative. How is wanting evidence rubbish? God and the supernatural is a very important thing after all. Also if there is evidence why are you not producing it?

@canusernamebemyusername "producing" ... man, you are going to get into a pickle now.

@Kwek00 I don't even like pickles:(

@canusernamebemyusername let me guess, it's speedy on his usual rampage. 😆😆😆 He blocked me after I had too much fun with him.

@JBird Yep. I know his rep well. I like watching the religious posts though. I like the topic even though I'm not a believer. I was going to respond with this at some point after the insults started:
If you are going to convert a person you need to give a reason for them to believe you/it. Which means you have to come to the unbeliever's level of thinking/evidence. It is not the unbelievers job to come to you.

All science can do it to point yo7 to the obvious. If you close to ignore it then it’s up to you@canusernamebemyusername

@Speedyman Belief is not a choice otherwise you could choose to be an atheist or Muslim for the next five minutes. So I'll keep waiting for you to provide evidence.

The evidence is all around you and even in your own body that you are designed. As I say if you keep trying to ignore it then it’s your look out. Your problem is that somebody puts evidence before you and you choose to ignore it and then say where is the evidence. In any case it’s not up to the fetus to prove there is a God, With all the modern evidence that science has thrown up its up to the atheist to prove there is not a God. Now prove to me there is not a God@canusernamebemyusername

@Speedyman Science does not prove a negative like I have already said. It is non-falsifiable. You made the positive claim therefor the burden of proof falls to you. Otherwise trying to prove all negatives would be infinite as there are infinite negatives but should only be one truth.
You are also saying that people that don't agree with you are just ignoring the evidence but that is presumptuous because you are claiming to know what someone else's thought process is better than them.
Most people don't ignore evidence. Maybe you do and therefore think everyone else must do the same thing. But that is not how science works. Also just pointing to something and saying that it was created follows none of the steps of the scientific method.

Totally wrong. The universe i#obviously designed unless you can prove otherwise. Sorry but atheism is just based on ignorance @canusernamebemyusername

@Speedyman Yet you haven't shown me why I'm wrong. Like I said, if you are seeking to convert someone you have to come to the unbeliever's level of thinking/evidence, not your own.
Also Im not sure why you keep talking about atheism. I never mentioned it at all. I was talking about the scientific method and how strong evidence is needed if you are going to try and convince a person. The evidence that works for you doesnt work for other people.

You are wrong because you are obviously blind to the evidence. I cannot ‘convert’ someone who cannot think straight. Applying the common sense method to creation with what we have discovered from science from the past 30 years it is quite obvious there is an intelligent designer. Why else are there desperate illogical and unverifiable theories about multiverses? @canusernamebemyusername

@Speedyman The same argument can be turned around on you. I could simply call you blind and unable to think straight as well. I could say the evidence for Odin or Allah or the FSM is all around you but you are wilfully ignorant of it. But you see the problem with that is it does not convince you. So why should that same approach convince me?
And I'm sorry but a common sense approach is subjective and vague at best and would never make it into scientific publications.

@JBird Now you know how these conversations look like from a diffrent perspective 😅

We are talking about theism. You are completely blind to all the arguments so what is the point in trying to convince someone who deliberately turns away from the truth? You are obviously intent on ignoring the evidence which is totally in favour of a creator@canusernamebemyusername

@Speedyman Please present that evidence then. But a warning, it will take much more to convince me than it took to convince you. I cant just look at something and say that was created. I wish I did have that kind of faith but I don't. Therefore it is up to the believer to make his or her case strong enough to convince the non believer. Also stop claiming to know what Im thinking or doing.

Please present me with evidence that the universe is not designed, that the extreme fine tuning of the universe just came about by the action of accidental random forces. The evidence for design is so overwhelming that it is up to you to present the case that it isn’t designed @causernamebemyusername]

@Speedyman Your go-to opening phrase is ‘your problem is..’
Your problem is whenever someone asks for proof positive of this god you’re mindlessly following you constantly hide behind the ‘can’t you see god did it’ line and derail the conversation into a tire spinning mudpit.

Your problem is that you ignore the evidence. You are mindlessly following atheism without looking at the facts. Just theory that atheism is based on ignorance is completely justified. Prove to me that the facts support atheism. If you actually look at them properly you will see they point in the opposite direction@wilderflower