Do you believe in a God? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Speedyman Got references to those '...Advances in scientific knowledge...' ?

Fine tuning
Signature in the cell
@Bushranger

@Speedyman They are not references, just examples of what you believe is evidence. You have obviously read about these things somewhere, so please share your references.

The reference is the creation around you and I think that’s a pretty good reference. If you want except the obvious and apply a bit of common sense do it then it’s your lookout@Bushranger

@Speedyman In other words, you have no factual evidence.

With all the evidence that science has thrown up in the last 30 years it is up to the atheist to prove there is not a designer of the universe not the other way round. The problem with people like you you’re living 50 years ago@Bushranger

@Speedyman [quote]With all the evidence that science has thrown up[/quote]

Evidence of what?

@Speedyman [quote]The reference is the creation around you[/quote]

So you’re saying that the evidence for creation is the creation for which you’re meant to be showing evidence? So you’re assuming that it’s a creation, and then using that assumption to demonstrate the veracity of the assumption??

Seriously? Do you actually think that’s in any way coherent?

@Speedyman Wolfgang Pauli, well-known for his scathing attitude towards incorrect or careless thinking, once said of a student’s reasoning...

"Not only is it not right... it isn’t even wrong!"

That would seem to be the case here.

As yours is invariably wrong, apply it to yourself. @newjaninev2

@Speedyman That made no sense. Do you read what you type, or do you just press random keys and hope to produce something meaningful?

@newjaninev2 he went to catechism class hosted by joe biden

No I leave that to you. @newjaninev2

@MasterLee wrong again buster. I leave the illogical remarks to atheists.

@Speedyman you personally should leave all logical comment to Atheists for obvious reason.

@Speedyman [quote]Fine tuning[/quote]

Are you referring to the much-vaunted ‘fine-tuning of the universe’?

Let’s examine that, shall we?

Examine it as much as you like. Common sense points to a creator. But then when had atheism anything to do with common sense! @newjaninev2

@Speedyman So you’d rathe not subject that (or any) claim to examination? Would you prefer to make outlandish, risible claims and not have to account for them?

That’s a signal demonstration of creationism's academic poverty and intellectual bankruptcy

It’s actually the sign of your academic poverty that if you actually did some up to date reading you would know that the advance of scientific knowledge in the past 30 years points to a creator. No question. But of course atheism is an emotional state not a rational one. It’s up to th3 atheist these days to prove the universe is not designed s obvious are the pointers for design. But no doubt you’re still with Sagan’s mentality @newjaninev2

@Speedyman [quote]scientific knowledge in the past 30 years points to a creator[/quote]

So you keep saying - yet you give absolutely no reason why that should be so

[quote]atheism is an emotional state[/quote]

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods - I’m an agnostic atheist

Please point out how that is an emotional state

There is no need of proof of the existence of a God any more than there is need of proof my tablet I am using has a designer, Especially as your idea of God is so offbeat and ridiculous.especially as your idea of God is so offbeat and ridiculous. I don’t believe in your idea of God either. Of course God doesn’t try and explain everything away any more than a designer of a tablet tries to explain how it works. It is the ultimate cause. You really do need to get some logic behind your thinking. Instead of this emotive reasoning @newjaninev2

@Speedyman I’m not asking you for proof of the existence of your god. I have no interest in your unnecessary postulations about magical entities.

You seem to feel that I have my own postulation about magical entities. I do not, not have I ever offered one. All such postulations are unnecessary and unhelpful.

For some reason you seem to feel that because your tablet was designed, everything in the universe was designed. That is an obvious [i]non sequitur[/i] and perhaps instead of making such flawed arguments you should simply take less of the tablets. Or more. Whichever helps.

I have nouse for your stupid and illogical insults either. Because you can’t put together an argument you have to stoop of course to the usual atheist stunts to cover your insecurities. If my tablet is designed then how on earth do you think the vastly more complicated design of the cell came into being? Or does common sense take a back seat when you are thinking (or not) about creation? It’s really not worth arguing with someone with their eyes shut to the obvious! @newjaninev2

@Speedyman [quote]vastly more complicated design of the cell [/quote]

It is a consequence of Natural Selection - the ceaseless interplay of replication and destruction on the stage of a constantly changing environment.

Come now, why does that seem so difficult for you to comprehend?

Where I live even young children understand and accept such basic processes

@Speedyman Your tablet cannot reproduce, therefore, it can't produce offspring that have a slightly different genome. It has to be designed. Life began on earth (that's pretty obvious when you think of it), but how it began is the question. My position is that I don't know, the possibility that it was initially created is, in my opinion, possible but not proven. You, on the other hand, claim to have evidence of this. Therefore, it's up to you to provide the evidence.

I've asked you before to provide a reference to this recent knowledge that proves creation but you have failed to do so. One can only assume that you are unable to do so.