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Why is atheism untenable? [Spirituality & Religion]

“Gradually, I realized that in the twenty years since I opted for philosophical atheism, a vast, systematic literature had emerged that not only cast deep doubt on, but also, from any reasonable perspective, effectively refuted my atheistic outlook. . . . Today, it seems to me, there is no good reason for an intelligent person to embrace the illusion of atheism or agnosticism, to make the same intellectual mistakes I made.
“As recently as twenty-five years ago, a reasonable person weighing the purely scientific evidence on the issue would likely have come down on the side of skepticism. That is no longer the case. Today the concrete data point strongly in the direction of the God hypothesis. It is the simplest and most obvious solution to the anthropic puzzle.”
(Patrick Glynn)
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Nanori · F
Why is religion untenable?
Speedyman · 70-79, M
A rational creator at the centre of a rational universe seems a most logical thing to me. A rational universe built by and guided irrational forces seems to be a most irrational idea. In any case if that is how the universe was built we don’t know whether our thinking is rational anyway@Nanori
Nanori · F
@Speedyman yeah we can't know for sure yet
Speedyman · 70-79, M
We can absolutely know for sure because to do science we assume a rational universe@Nanori
Nanori · F
@Speedyman we can assume that and I agree its a rational universe, only that there's a almighty God sitting there and waiting to be worshipped, not so much.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
You can’t have one without the other@Nanori
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Speedyman As I have explained to you [i]several times[/i]... we are the product of this universe, and would therefore see it as rational no matter its nature.

You seem unable to grasp that simple point
Speedyman · 70-79, M
And you seem to be unable to grasp the fact that because we know the mechanism of the universe it doesn’t mean to say we could dispense with the agency. The fact that my car is a product of the car factory does not mean to say I can dispense with the car factory and that is a point you do not seem to be able to grasp@newjaninev2
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Speedyman So we were talking about cars and suddenly you switch to talking about car factories... do you think that dodging from topic to topic is somehow going to save you from being exposed?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Speedyman Do you understand that we are the product of this universe, and would therefore see it as rational no matter its nature?

No dodging, no vague rambling, no car factories, no cozy homilies, no topic-hopping... just give a straight answer - or stand exposed as a fraud and a charlatan

Do you understand that we are the product of this universe, and would therefore see it as rational no matter its nature?
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Yes and the universe is a product of the creator. Just like my Carisa product of its designer. I wish you would use some common sense instead of all this nonsense you talk@newjaninev2
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Speedyman So your care was designed by an intelligence and therefore [i]everything[/i] is designed by an intelligence?

That’s your position, is it? You’re quite happy basing your argument on a glaring [i]non sequitur[/i], are you?

If I needed to resort to such foolishness I’d cringe with embarrassment... but apparently you’re choosing not to see the problem.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Of course the universe was designed by intelligence because it is a rational universe which can be explored by silence that is logical to anyone with logic and common sense which you seem to be highly lacking in@newjaninev2