Do you consider Beelzebub, Lucifer and Satan to be the same character or three different ones? [Spirituality & Religion]
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A little info
[quote]Beelzebub or Beelzebul is a name derived from a Philistine god, formerly worshipped in Ekron, and later adopted by some Abrahamic religions as a major demon.[/quote]
[quote]Shaitan (aka Satan), also spelled Sheitan, Arabic Shayṭān, in Islāmic myth, an unbelieving class of jinn (“spirits”); it is also the name of Iblīs, the devil, when he is performing demonic acts.[/quote]
[quote]Lucifer (UK: /ˈluːsɪfər/ LOO-si-fər; US: /-sə-/; 'light-bringer', corresponding to the Greek name Ἑωσφόρος, 'dawn-bringer', for the same planet) is a Latin name for the planet Venus in its morning appearances and is often used for mythological and religious figures associated with the planet. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld.[/quote]
So certainly all different, though seemingly combined into one figure in Christianity owing to that religion's propensity to absorb the myths and legends of other belief systems into itself.
[quote]Beelzebub or Beelzebul is a name derived from a Philistine god, formerly worshipped in Ekron, and later adopted by some Abrahamic religions as a major demon.[/quote]
[quote]Shaitan (aka Satan), also spelled Sheitan, Arabic Shayṭān, in Islāmic myth, an unbelieving class of jinn (“spirits”); it is also the name of Iblīs, the devil, when he is performing demonic acts.[/quote]
[quote]Lucifer (UK: /ˈluːsɪfər/ LOO-si-fər; US: /-sə-/; 'light-bringer', corresponding to the Greek name Ἑωσφόρος, 'dawn-bringer', for the same planet) is a Latin name for the planet Venus in its morning appearances and is often used for mythological and religious figures associated with the planet. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld.[/quote]
So certainly all different, though seemingly combined into one figure in Christianity owing to that religion's propensity to absorb the myths and legends of other belief systems into itself.
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wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@Quizzical [quote]owing to that religion's propensity to absorb the myths and legends of other belief systems into itself.[/quote]
Actually, it's the other way around. Greek mythology is loosely based around the earliest Biblical texts/Ancient Hebrew which predates ancient Greece by several hundred years
One has to take the context of the time into account; few could read or write; records, events, etc. weren't majorly passed down by text, but rather by story (and a similar story passed down through several generations can change drastically)
The book of Enoch (Enoch was Methuselah's father) confirms many of the similarities between scripture and mythology.
Just think, many of the characters in greek mythology, and even some in childrens stories/fairytales are based upon actual people/events
Actually, it's the other way around. Greek mythology is loosely based around the earliest Biblical texts/Ancient Hebrew which predates ancient Greece by several hundred years
One has to take the context of the time into account; few could read or write; records, events, etc. weren't majorly passed down by text, but rather by story (and a similar story passed down through several generations can change drastically)
The book of Enoch (Enoch was Methuselah's father) confirms many of the similarities between scripture and mythology.
Just think, many of the characters in greek mythology, and even some in childrens stories/fairytales are based upon actual people/events
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@wildbill83 Well, I'm not an expert... I just know about the main ones.
Easter, Christmas, the Resurrection, The story of Noah, The garden of Eden etc, all of which come from non Abrahamic belief systems.
I though the Book of Enoch had been removed from 'canon'? lol
Easter, Christmas, the Resurrection, The story of Noah, The garden of Eden etc, all of which come from non Abrahamic belief systems.
I though the Book of Enoch had been removed from 'canon'? lol
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@Quizzical Well, considering that the majority of the contained text, which is a english translation of the dead sea scrolls wasn't discovered until the early 1900's - 1950's, it's no surprise that it wasn't included in the Biblical canon which was established 300-400 years earlier...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Book of Enoch and Book of Jubilees are mentioned by name in Biblical canon
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@wildbill83 It's actually something that I find really interesting. I wish I'd had the wherewithal to have started to study it all when I was much younger.
Ah well, just another thing to add to my ever growing list of regrets 😟
Ah well, just another thing to add to my ever growing list of regrets 😟
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@wildbill83 I've recently dipped into Sumerian too, so much comes from there.
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@wildbill83 [c=#4C0073]and all that came from the ancient sumerian texts .. an almost exact copy of much of the bible, but written thousands of years before the earliest biblical texts[/c]
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
there have been several discoveries of artifacts in recent years that seem to confirm to existence of giants/Nephilim
spears in Kanadar with tips that weight 20+ lbs
hammers in Ireland with handles 10ft long
skeletal remains with heights in excess of 20ft
spears in Kanadar with tips that weight 20+ lbs
hammers in Ireland with handles 10ft long
skeletal remains with heights in excess of 20ft
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@wildbill83 There is certainly something dodgy going on regarding 'official' history.
I've been watching and reading a lot of stuff regarding this, and so much about the official line just doesn't add up.
I'm (almost) firmly convinced that this is not our first crack at a civilisation, and that something catastrophic wiped the previous one(s) out.
I've been watching and reading a lot of stuff regarding this, and so much about the official line just doesn't add up.
I'm (almost) firmly convinced that this is not our first crack at a civilisation, and that something catastrophic wiped the previous one(s) out.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
technically, you're correct; the great flood wiped out most of the first attempt...lol
There's even evidence that it occurred
namely, sea creature fossils discovered in mountain ranges thousands of feet above current sea level
There's even evidence that it occurred
namely, sea creature fossils discovered in mountain ranges thousands of feet above current sea level
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@wildbill83 Oh certainly. There are so many accounts in 'myth' from all over the world and some physical evidence of shell matter at the top of mountains etc that it's pretty much a guarantee that it happened.
There's also evidence mounting that a meteor struck the planet roughly 20,000 years ago, and that the fires may have burnt for a thousand years. So we're talking complete melting of the icecaps, earthquakes, major flooding, and the extinction of 75% of the world's large mammals.
It's highly likely that these events were passed down orally by the survivors and eventually worked their way into religious teachings. I can actually see how that would have developed into the 'ark' story.
There's also evidence mounting that a meteor struck the planet roughly 20,000 years ago, and that the fires may have burnt for a thousand years. So we're talking complete melting of the icecaps, earthquakes, major flooding, and the extinction of 75% of the world's large mammals.
It's highly likely that these events were passed down orally by the survivors and eventually worked their way into religious teachings. I can actually see how that would have developed into the 'ark' story.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
indeed, the Earth is pot marked with impact craters (some so massive, that it wasn't until satellite imagery that we were able to actually see them); and given how drastically relatively small earthquakes, volcanoes, etc. can impact life today, only can only imagine the impact they had on civilization of the past, especially the larger volcanic eruptions
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
The Chicxulub crater/impact is believed to be the ones that wiped out dinosaurs and is roughly 50 miles across...
The Vredefort crater in south africa is nearly 200 miles across...
The Vredefort crater in south africa is nearly 200 miles across...
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@wildbill83 They mention something about about a truly huge crater in that video I posted I think 🤔
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
The Grand Canyon is another interesting topic. The evolutionists and geology books would have everyone believe that is was formed over millions of years, yet neglect to mention that the head of the Colorado river is lower than the highest points of the canyon (unless they propose that water flowed uphill at some point in the past...) and the discovery of petrified trees standing upright inside the canyon walls, perforating several layers of rock strata that they claim are millions of years apart.
Most likely, the Grand Canyon was the result of a breach dam from a lake/sea that once covered most of western NA, and was carved out in a matter of months...
Most likely, the Grand Canyon was the result of a breach dam from a lake/sea that once covered most of western NA, and was carved out in a matter of months...
MethDozer · M
@Quizzical But it isn't. It hasn't been one long ongoing chain. There have been be several that have risen and crumbled since then. We aren't all the same one. The Chinese civilisation? Crumbled. Ancient Egypt? Crumbled. Rome? Crumbled. Mayans? Crumbled. Inca? Crumbled. Ancient Greeks? Crumbled.
It never lasts, they all fall when.the resources that drive its innovation become depleted and the populous grows too large. It's been a repeatedly failed experiment every time.
It never lasts, they all fall when.the resources that drive its innovation become depleted and the populous grows too large. It's been a repeatedly failed experiment every time.
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@MethDozer I think the confusion between us is because there is more than one meaning for civilisation.
There is civilisation meaning the society, culture, and way of life of a particular area, which I believe is what you are referring to, and pertains to different cultures, Chinese, Mayan, Greek etc.
And then there is civilisation meaning the stage of human social and cultural development and organisation, which pertains to the human race as a whole, which is what I am referring to.
In essence, the point at which we stopped being hunter/gatherers and started farming and living in towns and cities is when 'human civilisation' began.
The thought is that this has happened previously and that a prior human civilisation suffered a cataclysm and was knocked back to a stone age existence and had to start again, and that the events of that disaster was passed down orally through stories which then were incorporated into the religions of our current human civilisation.
There is civilisation meaning the society, culture, and way of life of a particular area, which I believe is what you are referring to, and pertains to different cultures, Chinese, Mayan, Greek etc.
And then there is civilisation meaning the stage of human social and cultural development and organisation, which pertains to the human race as a whole, which is what I am referring to.
In essence, the point at which we stopped being hunter/gatherers and started farming and living in towns and cities is when 'human civilisation' began.
The thought is that this has happened previously and that a prior human civilisation suffered a cataclysm and was knocked back to a stone age existence and had to start again, and that the events of that disaster was passed down orally through stories which then were incorporated into the religions of our current human civilisation.
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