What kind of spirituality/mysticism is rationally avaiable in the modern world? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Kwek00 lol. So, thats a no from you.

@Gouzi We were talking about "Rational" choices right? ... yeah, I guess if we are talking about "Rational" choices... that it's a no for me. How does "Spirituality" and "Rationality" ever really mingled well together?

@Kwek00 Well, Immaneul Kant who wrote the Critique of pure reason set out to find the limits of rationality. My understanding is that we can't quite talk rationally about God. It hits the limits of our reason and ability to verify something like that.

However, philosophy tends to border on the mystic as you discuss this topic. Roger Scruton has interesting things to say about this.

@Gouzi There are limits to rationality... but once you step outside the limits, we can also savely say that rationality becomes more and more absent?

@Kwek00 Yeah, people have said that. I think its interesting to see what people have to say. Well, i think its interesting to see what serious intellectuals have to say.

@Gouzi Good luck finding those here... You are not talking to one right now.

@Kwek00 haha. Such thinkers are way above and bigger than most people.

Kinda like in the Dark Night Returns comic where gordan just says that Batman/the president is just so much bigger than him that he can't make a judgement about it.

@Gouzi I still consider myself people though.
But the entire spiritual, mysticism thing... it belongs outside the rational thing for as far as I'm aware off. That doesn't mean the reasoning after accepting some mystical premisse doesn't follow rationally sometimes. But a lot of objective truths (or facts) will be abscent.

What are you looking for? Where does the question come from?

@Kwek00 My interest in this is that for me it seems an important part of human nature to be concerned with morality, meaning, belong, and death. I think these tend to lead to mysticism.

Morality isn't something that can be verified with reason. We just use our shared concepts and debate them using our shared intuitions. It is the same with meaning.
As for belonging, i mean that we all just want somewhere we truly belong and feel at peace in. This brings you wondering how to find such a place.

Death is not mysterious in a way that means i'll live forever, rather its mysterious because i think dealing with your own consciousness ending is a serious matter & i think it makes the other three issues more important to address.

@Gouzi I agree on first glance.

I also think that one of the biggest flaws in the liberal-mindset is the fear to adress SPIRITUALITY. Which is one of the sources of the romantic movement. But once you start embracing mysticm in a true radical way, you just get another form of madness. As shown in the 30s in Europe... and recently in other regime changes that had serious theocratic undertones.

Maybe it's better to just look at mysticism to learn something... but stay far away from the mystic elements as possible.

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@Kwek00 Yep. you're right. anyway, i'm off to the gym.

@Gouzi you gym away! have fun