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Hinduism and the Science of consciousness.. [Spirituality & Religion]

Who are we? Why are we here? Are we free? If yes, what is the source of our freedom?
Science tells us we are machines, and looking from it our freedom is an illusion. In science there is no place for the spirit.
We are sure that there is something real to our inner world.
But ordinary science cannot reveal to us the nature of consciousness. This is because science can only tell us of the laws of objects which are expressed in language. With language we can only speak of objects.
But Consciousness is not an object.
It is the searchlight with which we see objects in our inner or outer spaces or through the medium of the senses. Consciousness is the perceiving subject.
Science, through its study of the brain in the search of the source of awareness can only reveal its limitations. It can show that the brain is like a machine but it cannot create a machine that is like the brain.
We face paradoxes; science has reached its limits.
That is where the 1200-year old ┼Ъiva S┼лtra comes in. Vasugupta saw the S┼лtra in a dream. A great classic of the Vedic tradition, it speaks to the mystery of consciousness.
The universal and the individual
Our phenomenal knowledge can only be in terms of the associations of the outer world. But the associations in themselves need something to bind them together. The binding is the m─Бtс╣Ыk─Б, the womb of elementary sounds. It is this that makes it possible to understand words or symbols when they are strung together. Since they lack the m─Бtс╣Ыk─Б, computers cannot understand language.
Universal consciousness, as a unity, is ┼Ъiva or Bhairava. ┼Ъiva makes it possible for the material associations of the physical world to have meaning. The domain of the union of ┼Ъiva and the phenomenal world is an astonishing mystery.
The с╣Ъgveda speaks of two birds are sitting on a tree where one of them eats the sweet fruit and the other looks on without eating; one of the birds is the Universal Consciousness, the other the Individual Consciousness. In truth, there is only one bird; the other is just the image of the first as reflected in the fruit!
Although we cannot explain consciousness using science, we can intuitively grasp it. Our root consciousness тАФ ┼Ъiva, prak─Б┼Ыa, cit тАФ is what makes it possible to comprehend it.
The capacity of consciousness to reflect on itself is vimar┼Ыa. We can also say that the Sun of Consciousness illuminates the associations in the mind. What facilitates this illumination is the тАЬpower of the will.тАЭ
Innate knowledge emerges from the mind, which is the mantra. It leads to the knowledge of the reality that lies beyond material associations.
Sound is made meaningful by strings of words. But what about the meaning of elementary sounds? This meaning is grasped as one opens the crack between the universal and the individual.
The individual is transformed into a state where knowledge is food.
Detachment from associations is the key to the knowledge of the Self or the Universal Being. Be an outsider. By separating the senses from the source of consciousness, it becomes possible to reach to the heart of the Self.
Could meditation on Consciousness have led the с╣Ыishis to insights that remain beyond the pale of our current understanding of the nature of reality?
The ┼Ъiva S┼лtra deals with questions such as: How do the senses emerge in the emergence of the mind? Could there be more senses than we possess?
The stories of ┼Ъiva are a retelling of the astonishing insights of the science of consciousness. We can enjoy the dance of ┼Ъiva.
The ┼Ъiva S┼лtra has three movements:
The first movement is about universal consciousness.
The second movement is about the emergence of innate knowledge
The third movement is about self-transformation.
These movements begin with the question of who we are.
We couldnтАЩt be just our life-history, our memories, and our desires and aspirations. A lot of that is the accident of our birth and our social experience.
When we strip off layer upon layer of the social self, we come to the essential being. The process of the stripping of the social self is painful but it is liberating.
It is this process that transforms the individual. It is this process that is the greatest sacrifice.
The ┼Ъiva S┼лtra requires instruction by a master. Without that it is like talking of a fast moving current in the middle of a raging river. The only way to experience the force of the current is to be in it.
The ┼Ъiva S┼лtra
1. ┼Ъ─Бmbhavop─Бya, ┼ЪivaтАЩs View
1.1 Consciousness is the self. рдЪреИрддрдиреНрдпрдорд╛рддреНрдорд╛реерезрее
1.2 (Ordinary) knowledge consists of associations. рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирдВ рдмрдиреНрдзрдГреереирее
1.3 Emanations of the source are embodied activity. рдпреЛрдирд┐рд╡рд░реНрдЧрдГ рдХрд▓рд╛рд╢рд░реАрд░рдореНреерейрее
1.4 The ground of knowledge is m─Бtс╣Ыk─Б. рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирд╛рдзрд┐рд╖реНрдард╛рдирдВ рдорд╛рддреГрдХрд╛реерекрее
1.5 The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava. рдЙрджреНрдпрдореЛ рднреИрд░рд╡рдГреерелрее
1.6 By union with the energy centers one withdraws from the universe. рд╢рдХреНрддрд┐рдЪрдХреНрд░рд╕рдиреНрдзрд╛рдиреЗ рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╕рдВрд╣рд╛рд░рдГрееремрее
1.7 Even during waking, sleep, and deep sleep one can experience the fourth state (transcending ordinary consciousness). рдЬрд╛рдЧреНрд░рддреНрд╕реНрд╡рдкреНрдирд╕реБрд╖реБрдкреНрддрднреЗрджреЗ рддреБрд░реНрдпрд╛рднреЛрдЧрд╕рдореНрднрд╡рдГрееренрее
1.8 (Sensory) knowledge is obtained in the waking state. рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирдВ рдЬрд╛рдЧреНрд░рддреНреереорее
1.9 Dreaming is free ranging of thoughts. рд╕реНрд╡рдкреНрдиреЛ рд╡рд┐рдХрд▓реНрдкрд╛рдГреерепрее
1.10 Deep sleep is m─Бy─Б, the (state of) delusion. рдЕрд╡рд┐рд╡реЗрдХреЛ рдорд╛рдпрд╛рд╕реМрд╖реБрдкреНрддрдореНреерезрежрее
1.11 The experiencer of the three states is the lord of the senses. рддреНрд░рд┐рддрдпрднреЛрдХреНрддрд╛ рд╡реАрд░реЗрд╢рдГреерезрезрее
1.12 The stages of the union are astonishing, vismaya. рд╡рд┐рд╕реНрдордпреЛ рдпреЛрдЧрднреВрдорд┐рдХрд╛рдГ реерезреирее
1.13 The power of the will is the playful Um─Б. рдЗрдЪреНрдЫрд╛рд╢рдХреНрддрд┐рд░реБрдорд╛ рдХреБрдорд╛рд░реАреерезрейрее
1.14 The observed is embodied. рджреГрд╢реНрдпрдВ рд╢рд░реАрд░рдореНреерезрекрее
1.15 By fixing the mind on its core one can comprehend the perceivable and emptiness. рд╣реГрджрдпреЗ рдЪрд┐рддреНрддрд╕рдЩреНрдШрдЯреНрдЯрд╛рджреНрджреГрд╢реНрдпрд╕реНрд╡рд╛рдкрджрд░реНрд╢рдирдореНреерезрелрее
1.16 Or by contemplating the pure principle one is free of the power that binds animal instincts. рд╢реБрджреНрдзрддрддреНрддреНрд╡рд╕рдиреНрдзрд╛рдирд╛рджреНрд╡рд╛рдкрд╢реБрд╢рдХреНрддрд┐рдГреерезремрее
1.17 Right discernment is the knowledge of the self. рд╡рд┐рддрд░реНрдХ рдЖрддреНрдордЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирдореНреерезренрее
1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of sam─Бdhi. рд▓реЛрдХрд╛рдирдиреНрджрдГ рд╕рдорд╛рдзрд┐рд╕реБрдЦрдореНреерезреорее
1.19 The body emerges when the energies unite. рд╢рдХреНрддрд┐рд╕рдиреНрдзрд╛рдиреЗ рд╢рд░реАрд░реЛрддреНрдкрддреНрддрд┐рдГреерезрепрее
1.20 Elements united and elements separated and the universe is assembled. рднреВрддрд╕рдиреНрдзрд╛рдирднреВрддрдкреГрдердХреНрддреНрд╡рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рд╕рдЩреНрдШрдЯреНрдЯрд╛рдГреереирежрее
1.21 Pure knowledge leads to a mastery of the wheel (of energies). рд╢реБрджреНрдзрд╡рд┐рджреНрдпреЛрджрдпрд╛рдЪреНрдЪрдХреНрд░реЗрд╢рддреНрд╡рд╕рд┐рджреНрдзрд┐рдГреереирезрее
1.22 The great lake (of space-time) is experienced through the power of mantra. рдорд╣рд╛рд╣реНрд░рджрд╛рдиреБрд╕рдиреНрдзрд╛рдирд╛рдиреНрдордиреНрддреНрд░рд╡реАрд░реНрдпрд╛рдиреБрднрд╡рдГреереиреирее
2 ┼Ъ─Бktop─Бya, the Process
2.1 The mind is a measure, mantra. рдЪрд┐рддреНрддрдВ рдордиреНрддреНрд░рдГреерезрее
2.2 Effort leads to attainment. рдкреНрд░рдпрддреНрдирдГ рд╕рд╛рдзрдХрдГреереирее
2.3 The secret of mantra is the being of the body of knowledge. рд╡рд┐рджреНрдпрд╛рд╢рд░реАрд░рд╕рддреНрддрд╛ рдордиреНрддреНрд░рд░рд╣рд╕реНрдпрдореНреерейрее
2.4 The emergence of the mind in the womb is like a dream based on inferior knowledge. рдЧрд░реНрднреЗ рдЪрд┐рддреНрддрд╡рд┐рдХрд╛рд╕реЛрд╜рд╡рд┐рд╢рд┐рд╖реНрдЯрд╡рд┐рджреНрдпрд╛рд╕реНрд╡рдкреНрдирдГреерекрее
2.5 When the knowledge of oneтАЩs self arises, one moves in the Sky of Consciousness тАФ тАФ ┼ЪivaтАЩs state. рд╡рд┐рджреНрдпрд╛рд╕рдореБрддреНрдерд╛рдиреЗ рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рднрд╛рд╡рд┐рдХреЗ рдЦреЗрдЪрд░реА рд╢рд┐рд╡рд╛рд╡рд╕реНрдерд╛реерелрее
2.6 The guru is the means. рдЧреБрд░реБрд░реБрдкрд╛рдпрдГрееремрее
2.7 The awakening of the wheel of m─Бtс╣Ыk─Б (the elemental energies). рдорд╛рддреГрдХрд╛рдЪрдХреНрд░рд╕рдореНрдмреЛрдзрдГрееренрее
2.8 The body is the oblation. рд╢рд░реАрд░рдВ рд╣рд╡рд┐рдГреереорее
2.9 The food is knowledge. рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирдордиреНрдирдореНреерепрее
2.10 With the extinction of knowledge emerges the vision of emptiness.
рд╡рд┐рджреНрдпрд╛рд╕рдВрд╣рд╛рд░реЗ рддрджреБрддреНрдерд╕реНрд╡рдкреНрдирджрд░реНрд╢рдирдореНреерезрежрее
3 ─Ас╣Зavop─Бya, the IndividualтАЩs Means
3.1 The mind is the self. рдЖрддреНрдорд╛ рдЪрд┐рддреНрддрдореНреерезрее
3.2 (Material) knowledge is bondage (association). рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирдВ рдмрдиреНрдзрдГреереирее
3.3 M─Бy─Б is the lack of discernment of the principles of transformation (kal─Б). рдХрд▓рд╛рджреАрдирд╛рдВ рддрддреНрддреНрд╡рд╛рдирд╛рдорд╡рд┐рд╡реЗрдХреЛ рдорд╛рдпрд╛реерейрее
3.4 The transformation is stopped in the body. рд╢рд░реАрд░реЗ рд╕рдВрд╣рд╛рд░рдГ рдХрд▓рд╛рдирд╛рдореНреерекрее
3.5 The quieting of the vital channels, the mastery of the elements, the withdrawal from the elements, and the separation of the elements. рдирд╛рдбреАрд╕рдВрд╣рд╛рд░рднреВрддрдЬрдпрднреВрддрдХреИрд╡рд▓реНрдпрднреВрддрдкреГрдердХреНрддреНрд╡рд╛рдирд┐реерелрее
3.6 Perfection is through the veil of delusion. рдореЛрд╣рд╛рд╡рд░рдгрд╛рддреНрд╕рд┐рджреНрдзрд┐рдГрееремрее
3.7 Overcoming delusion while enjoying the world innate knowledge is obtained. рдореЛрд╣рдЬрдпрд╛рджрдирдиреНрддрд╛рднреЛрдЧрд╛рддреНрд╕рд╣рдЬрд╡рд┐рджреНрдпрд╛рдЬрдпрдГрееренрее
3.8 Waking is the second ray (of consciousness). рдЬрд╛рдЧреНрд░рджреНрджреНрд╡рд┐рддреАрдпрдХрд░рдГреереорее
3.9 The self is the actor. рдирд░реНрддрдХ рдЖрддреНрдорд╛реерепрее
3.10 The inner self is the stage. рд░рдЩреНрдЧреЛрд╜рдиреНрддрд░рд╛рддреНрдорд╛реерезрежрее
3.11 The senses are the spectators. рдкреНрд░реЗрдХреНрд╖рдХрд╛рдгреАрдиреНрджреНрд░рд┐рдпрд╛рдгрд┐реерезрезрее
3.12 The pure state is achieved by the power of the intellect. рдзреАрд╡рд╢рд╛рддреНрд╕рддреНрддреНрд╡рд╕рд┐рджреНрдзрд┐рдГреерезреирее
3.13 Freedom (creativity) is achieved. рд╕рд┐рджреНрдзрдГ рд╕реНрд╡рддрдиреНрддреНрд░рднрд╛рд╡рдГреерезрейрее
3.14 As here so elsewhere. рдпрдерд╛ рддрддреНрд░ рддрдерд╛рдиреНрдпрддреНрд░реерезрекрее
3.15 Emission (of consciousness) is the way of nature and so what is not external is seen as external. рд╡рд┐рд╕рд░реНрдЧрд╕реНрд╡рд╛рднрд╛рд╡реНрдпрд╛рджреН рдЕрдмрд╣рд┐рдГ рд╕реНрдерд┐рддреЗрд╕реНрддрддреНрд╕реНрдерд┐рддрд┐рдГреерезрелрее
3.16 Attention to the seed. рдмреАрдЬрд╛рд╡рдзрд╛рдирдореНреерезремрее
3.17 Seated one sinks effortlessly into the lake (of consciousness). рдЖрд╕рдирд╕реНрдердГ рд╕реБрдЦрдВ рд╣реНрд░рджреЗ рдирд┐рдордЬреНрдЬрддрд┐реерезренрее
3.18 The measure of consciousness fashions the world. рд╕реНрд╡рдорд╛рддреНрд░рд╛рдирд┐рд░реНрдорд╛рдгрдорд╛рдкрд╛рджрдпрддрд┐реерезреорее
3.19 As (limited) knowledge is transcended, birth is transcended. рд╡рд┐рджреНрдпрд╛рд╡рд┐рдирд╛рд╢реЗ рдЬрдиреНрдорд╡рд┐рдирд╛рд╢рдГреерезрепрее
3.20 M─Бhe┼Ыvar─л and other mothers (sources) of beings reside in the тАЬkтАЭ sound elements. рдХрд╡рд░реНрдЧрд╛рджрд┐рд╖реБ рдорд╛рд╣реЗрд╢реНрд╡рд░реНрдпрд╛рджреНрдпрд╛рдГ рдкрд╢реБрдорд╛рддрд░рдГреереирежрее
3.21 The fourth (state of consciousness) should be used to oil the (other) three (states of consciousness). рддреНрд░рд┐рд╖реБ рдЪрддреБрд░реНрдердВ рддреИрд▓рд╡рджрд╛рд╕реЗрдЪреНрдпрдореНреереирезрее
3.22 Absorbed (in his nature), one penetrates (the phonemes) with oneтАЩs mind. рдордЧреНрдирдГ рд╕реНрд╡рдЪрд┐рддреНрддреЗрди рдкреНрд░рд╡рд┐рд╢реЗрддреНреереиреирее
3.23 A balanced breathing leads to a balanced vision. рдкреНрд░рд╛рдгрд╕рдорд╛рдЪрд╛рд░реЗ рд╕рдорджрд░реНрд╢рдирдореНреереирейрее
3.24 The lower plane arises in the center (of the phoneme). рдордзреНрдпреЗрд╜рд╡рд░рдкреНрд░рд╕рд╡рдГреереирекрее
3.25 What was destroyed rises again by the joining (sandh─Бne) of perceptions (svapratyaya) with the objects (m─Бtr─Б) of experience. рдорд╛рддреНрд░рд╛рд╕реНрд╡рдкреНрд░рддреНрдпрдпрд╕рдиреНрдзрд╛рдиреЗ рдирд╖реНрдЯрд╕реНрдп рдкреБрдирд░реБрддреНрдерд╛рдирдореНреереирелрее
3.26 He becomes like ┼Ъiva. рд╢рд┐рд╡рддреБрд▓реНрдпреЛ рдЬрд╛рдпрддреЗреереиремрее
3.27 The activity of the body is the vow. рд╢рд░реАрд░рд╡реГрддреНрддрд┐рд░реНрд╡реНрд░рддрдореНреереиренрее
3.28 The recitation of the mantras is the discourse. рдХрдерд╛ рдЬрдкрдГреереиреорее
3.29 Self-knowledge is the gift. рджрд╛рдирдорд╛рддреНрдордЬреНрдЮрд╛рдирдореНреереирепрее
3.30 He who is established is the means and knowledge. рдпреЛрд╜рд╡рд┐рдкрд╕реНрдереЛ рдЬреНрдЮрд╛рд╣реЗрддреБрд╢реНрдЪреерейрежрее
3.31 The universe is the aggregate of his powers. рд╕реНрд╡рд╢рдХреНрддрд┐рдкреНрд░рдЪрдпреЛрд╜рд╕реНрдп рд╡рд┐рд╢реНрд╡рдореНреерейрезрее
3.32 Persistence and absorption. рд╕реНрдерд┐рддрд┐рд▓рдпреМреерейреирее
3.33 Even when this (maintenance and dissolution) there is no break (anir─Бsaс╕е, in awareness) due to the perceiving subjectivity. рддрддреНрдкреНрд░рд╡реГрддреНрддрд╛рд╡рдкреНрдпрдирд┐рд░рд╛рд╕рдГ рд╕рдВрд╡реЗрддреНрддреГрднрд╛рд╡рд╛рддреНреерейрейрее
3.34 The feeling of pleasure and pain is external. рд╕реБрдЦрджреБрдГрдЦрдпреЛрд░реНрдмрд╣рд┐рд░реНрдордирдирдореНреерейрекрее
3.35 The one who is free of that is alone (with consciousness). рддрджреНрд╡рд┐рдореБрдХреНрддрд╕реНрддреБ рдХреЗрд╡рд▓реАреерейрелрее
3.36 A mass of delusion the mind is subject to activity. рдореЛрд╣рдкреНрд░рддрд┐рд╕рдВрд╣рддрд╕реНрддреБ рдХрд░реНрдорд╛рддреНрдорд╛реерейремрее
3.37 When separateness is gone, action can lead to creation. рднреЗрджрддрд┐рд░рд╕реНрдХрд╛рд░реЗ рд╕рд░реНрдЧрд╛рдиреНрддрд░рдХрд░реНрдорддреНрд╡рдореНреерейренрее
3.38 The power to create is based on oneтАЩs own experience. рдХрд░рдгрд╢рдХреНрддрд┐рдГ рд╕реНрд╡рддреЛрд╜рдиреБрднрд╡рд╛рддреНреерейреорее
3.39 That which precedes the three (states of consciousness) vitalizes them. рддреНрд░рд┐рдкрджрд╛рджреНрдпрдиреБрдкреНрд░рд╛рдгрдирдореНреерейрепрее
3.40 The same stability of mind (should permeate) the body, senses and external world. рдЪрд┐рддреНрддрд╕реНрдерд┐рддрд┐рд╡рдЪреНрдЫрд░реАрд░рдХрд░рдгрдмрд╛рд╣реНрдпреЗрд╖реБреерекрежрее
3.41 Craving leads to the extroversion of the inner process. рдЕрднрд┐рд▓рд╛рд╖рд╛рджреНрдмрд╣рд┐рд░реНрдЧрддрд┐рдГ рд╕рдВрд╡рд╛рд╣реНрдпрд╕реНрдпреерекрезрее
3.42 When established in pure awareness, (the craving) is destroyed and the (empirical) individual ceases to exist. рддрджрд╛рд░реВрдврдкреНрд░рдорд┐рддреЗрд╕реНрддрддреНрдХреНрд╖рдпрд╛рдЬреНрдЬреАрд╡рд╕рдЩреНрдХреНрд╖рдпрдГреерекреирее
3.43 Although cloaked in the elements that are not free, like the Lord, one is supreme. рднреВрддрдХрдЮреНрдЪреБрдХреА рддрджрд╛ рд╡рд┐рдореБрдХреНрддреЛ рднреВрдпрдГ рдкрддрд┐рд╕рдордГ рдкрд░рдГреерекрейрее
3.44 The link with the vital breath is natural. рдиреИрд╕рд░реНрдЧрд┐рдХрдГ рдкреНрд░рд╛рдгрд╕рдореНрдмрдиреНрдзрдГреерекрекрее
3.45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or suс╣гumn─Б? рдирд╛рд╕рд┐рдХрд╛рдиреНрддрд░реНрдордзреНрдпрд╕рдВрдпрдорд╛рддреН рдХрд┐рдорддреНрд░ рд╕рд╡реНрдпрд╛рдкрд╕рд╡реНрдпрд╕реМрд╖реБрдореНрдиреЗрд╖реБреерекрелрее
3.46 May (the individual) merge (in the Lord) once again. рднреВрдпрдГ рд╕реНрдпрд╛рддреНрдкреНрд░рддрд┐рдореАрд▓рдирдореНреерекремрее
реР рддрддреН рд╕рддреН
┬йSubhash Kak, 1999, 2018
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Carazaa ┬╖ F
I care about you and I am conserned about those who have philosophies other that Christ. I want God to bless you. We have a jealous God who wants us to worship only Him. In Christianity we are separated from God because of our sins. And Jesus, God almighty, took all our sins on his shoulders so we can be with God in this life and forever in heaven. Jesus says "All have sinned and comes short of Gods Glory" Our purpose is to Glorify God. He answers our prayers if we do miraculously helping us with money, relationships, healing our diseases, etc. So I have questions regarding how your religion deal with why we are here. Some questions

1. How does your religion/philosophy deal with sin? a.Will you account to God yourself for every sin? Jesus says there is Hell for all unbelievers. b. What happens to a murderer, or for a regular sinner we all sin every day.

2. What is the purpose for living? In christianity it is to Glorify God in everything we do and have fellowshiop with Him, and He with us.

3. How do you deal with those who hurt you badly, like kill or rape or steal from your family? In Christianity we love our enemies, and pray for those who despitefully use us. We keep forgiving and treat them the way we want to be treated regardless if they tried to hurt us a million times.

4.Where does your joy come from? In christianity it comes from a deep love of God and fellowship with Him and the hope of forgiveness and heaven.

5. WHere is your focus in life, on your own self? your consciensness? Christians crucify the flesh and focus on God and serving others. Self is last. We don't rely ion our feelings or our understanding but on Gods word in the Bible only.
Wraithorn ┬╖ 56-60, M
@Carazaa Here is an interesting thing. Trueself cares for you and is trying to ease his inner conscience by bettering your condition in life (and thereafter) by attempting to get you/us to think like him.
You are doing the same.
Most of us Humans "suffer" from this mental condition. It's quite interesting.
TrueSelf ┬╖ 46-50, M
@Carazaa When it comes to sins or bad Karma , practising Hindus will do whatever they can to amend for their sins, such as helping those they have hurt.
Then again, knowledgeable Hindus sees sins as mistakes and everyone is capable of making up for their mistakes .Some mistakes are so severe that they have to reborn again to make amends.
Eventually every being will make amends for their mistakes and embrace their soul self and merge with the creator, no matter how many generations it take.

As for the rest of your questions, I don't think I am qualified to answer them, because I am learning about Hinduism my self.
You can Google for answers if you are interested.
TrueSelf ┬╖ 46-50, M
@Wraithorn I don't attempt to make people think like me or brainwash people to embrace Hinduism.
I posted the ancient knowledge of my ancestors for people to contemplate.
That's all.
Carazaa ┬╖ F
@Wraithorn I am not at all sure what mental condition you are referring to. I believe there is one truth not 2 or 3 or 4. I care about peoples eternity as well as being blessed today. I have a right to ask the questions I did to this post. I welcome questions to my posts especially if you want answers sincerely.
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Carazaa ┬╖ F
@TrueSelf I will just say one more thing and then I wont bother any more. I sincerely care.

In Every religion people have to earn heaven by sacrifizing something, except Christianity. God did it ALL. He says there is nothing we can do, we are doomed. That's why God payed for all your sins himself. We can not earn graces when we are so far and so sepatated from God. So please , please, be careful that you don't get sucked into something that will not do anything except make you feel good for a little bit. The Hindu countries are not doing good, because God has promissed that he will bless the country whos God is the LORD, and curse the countries and bring them to poverty if they don't.
Wraithorn ┬╖ 56-60, M
@Carazaa In your opinion which country/countries have been blessed by your God ?
Carazaa ┬╖ F
@Wraithorn All the christian countries until they stopped being christian. Now they are going down.
Wraithorn ┬╖ 56-60, M
@Carazaa Yeah those "Christian" countries made a lot of money and success out of things like invasion, colonialism, simple theft, oppression and slavery....
Carazaa ┬╖ F
@Wraithorn no that was Catholics not Christians. sweden was Viking a thousand years ago and sacdifized kids to their Gods then they became Christian and we've had it good for 1000 years. God has blessed Sweden more than any country I believe. until the gov decided to be not Christian in 1997.
Wraithorn ┬╖ 56-60, M
@Carazaa Where do you get the idea that catholics are not christians ?