Muslims Have Dreams and Visions of Jesus [Spirituality & Religion]

@hippyjoe1955 Oh right. You are pleased people find their god, as long as it's your god and in your way.

So no-one can accuse us bias or worse, do have a corresponding story about a Christian apostate converted to Islam, but by a cleric who accepts other religions and does not class them as "sins"?

@ArishMell I am simply recounting a true story. Don't bother trying to ascribe motives. The young muslim did not know any of the Bible at the time of his dream or he would have recognized the words spoken to him in his dream. You don't want to believe in Yahweh and that is your prerogative. I believe in Yahweh based on personal experience and first hand accounts such as this one.

@hippyjoe1955 Oh, please accept I do am not questioning the story; only the points it raises, particularly the pastor concerned using a prayer intended for "sinners", as if the convert had been a "sinner" for having been a Muslim.

That pastor would have more humane, sensible and theologically credible if he had accepted the convert was and still is, a faithful believer in God but had followed a different way to express that faith.

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[quote]You don't want to believe in Yahweh ...[/quote]

Interesting point.

Yes, as you say it is my prerogative, but I'm not sure it was really a conscious want. I started to question my rather nominally and by no means strict Anglican background when I was about 12.

As I matured I started to question myself more deeply, and realised I do not need to believe in God (or Yahweh, or Allah... same character) who is "real" for those who do choose to believe so. These include some of my friends, of whom one was ordained as a deacon last year (I attended, by invitation, her ordination.)

With this, I also realised very many religions have come and gone or still continue, over human history, each "true" to, and often only to, its own followers. Although some now look patently absurd to us, crucially, most share four significant threads. So notwithstanding that commonality, it became clear to me no one faith can monopolise its own "truth".

Those threads are:
- a yearning to place humanity in the Universe, or what was seen as that at the time the religion was invented;

- provide support in times of personal difficulty;

- lessen the natural fear of death and to comfort the bereaved by offering some form of "after-life". (I wonder where that places the commercial [i]post-mortem[/i] body-freezing offered by companies like Alcor?)

- giving an external framework for social behaviour and cohesion... until sectarianism and religious strife developed.

The end result was not needing to believe in any god, but more importantly to see that no faith has all or the only answers.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]Sitting one day in his church office a pastor heard a gentle knock on the church door. He opened it to see a young Muslim man standing on the step. The Muslim asked the pastor to see the church's interpreter of dreams. The pastor smiled and welcomed the Muslim man into the church. The Muslim man quickly stepped out of his shoes and stepped carefully over the threshold. Again the pastor smiled and escorted the young man into his office. Whispering a prayer for guidance the pastor asked the Muslim to tell him about the dream. The Muslim said that in the recurring dream he is running from something evil. He doesn't know what it is but he is terrified. He runs and runs until he runs into a wall. He can't go around it. He can't go under it. He can't get over it. Suddenly there is a Voice that says "I AM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. Nobody comes to the FATHER but BY me. Then the man wakes up. The pastor opens his Bible and shows the Muslim John 14: 6. The Muslim begins to tremble and in a terrified voice asks the pastor what he must do. The pastor led him in the sinner's prayer and the man left the Church a Christian. His family soon became Christian as well as he testified about his deliverance. He has never had the dream again.[/quote]

Thank you for sharing that testimony, Joe.

@ArishMell So you are not aware of Romans 3:23? The sinner's prayer is a well known prayer of conversion. You just made a fool of yourself showing your lack of understanding of Christianity.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]So you are not aware of Romans 3:23? The sinner's prayer is a well known prayer of conversion. You just made a fool of yourself showing your lack of understanding of Christianity.[/quote]

Is that not a true you shared?

@GodSpeed63 Insofar as I a fallen creature can communicate to another fallen creature what I communicated is indeed true. The young muslim man was bothered by a dream and became a Christian by speaking the sinner's prayer from his heart. I had nothing to do with his conversion.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote] I had nothing to do with his conversion.[/quote]

I never said you did. I was talking about his testimony that you shared.

@GodSpeed63 I wasn't particularly talking to you when I said I had nothing to do with his conversion. This was the work of the Holy Spirit alone and anyone who claims credit for that is not to be trusted. Of all the people I have led in the sinners prayer I can honestly say that I never led one of them to that place. It is the work of the Spirit and not mankind to open the eyes of the blind.