This atheist, and scientist explains why he came to the realization why there has to be a loving God! [Spirituality & Religion]

@AlexPett [quote]They have been Hand Made to perfection[/quote]

No. Even without pointing out the errors in the A&P of several species alone (including humans), your unsupported claim immediately raises the question ‘How are you defining perfection?’

Any individual member of any generation of any species doesn’t have to be ‘perfect' (again, what would that look like?).

It merely has to replicate its genes, and for that it needs to be simply [i]good enough[/i]

@JohnDillinger non existence. Existence is expanding into non-existence

@newjaninev2 hahahahahah! the capacity by which an average human like yourself is able to devise logical arguments comfortably implies that human beings have a rather logical understanding of a universe that has been designed in a way that it's not random. There is precision and law and accuracy to how the universe operates. The "alleged flaws" that you are not considering are not random either. Genetic mutations, disease and abnormalities are not the norm, but do exist as a result of certain variables acting in certain conditions. Still, not random. Lastly, perfection in the context of this discussion refers to the perfection of the norm, not the exception. A normally functioning (disease free) organism is, in essence, perfect, since it has bodily functions, a measurable amount of intelligence, organs that have purpose, body parts, and a conscious mind. Sentience and control over very specific functions of our body can be equated with the abstract idea of "perfection". Science can hardly explain the control part. Long way to go before it even understands the complexities of sentience. You are not in control! You are only "flawed" in your arrogance.

@AlexPett The universe forms spacetime as it expands. There’s no ‘exterior’ spacetime for it to expand into.

@AlexPett It’s unclear whether you are referring to the universe as a whole, or just life on this planet.

Which is it?

@newjaninev2 I am talking about the concept of existence itself. When the comprehensible form of the current universe cuts into non-existence, space-time is formed in that previous state of non-existence

@newjaninev2 my arguments are very clear if you pay attention. I am now talking about the universe. Prior to this, i was focusing on life on this planet.

@AlexPett Then please specify the focus of each claim. if you’re claiming that the universe is perfect, then, again, you’ll need to specify the criteria against which you’re identifying perfection.

[quote]Genetic mutations, disease and abnormalities are not the norm[/quote]

[i]Every[/i] human is born with, on average 193 genetic mutations, the nature of which try from infant to infant.

Disease is rampant, and abnormalities need better definition than just the vague use of the term.

[quote]the perfection of the norm[/quote]

So if the norm changes, then so does perfection?

You’re saying that whatever is there is perfect simply because it’s there... unless it fails to conform to the norm, and that’s leaving aside the question of which of the millions of norms are being measured

@newjaninev2 Perfection is referred to in its essence, since it is humanly impossible to measure the tangible facets of it. Philosophically, the diseases (that are mostly not characterized by a "pandemic nature", but rather an "epidemic" or "endemic| nature)come with a cure. Lemons were always there, even before we harnessed their potential for anti-bacterial uses. We did not make those lemons. We merely discovered their use, and matched the output with a need that we were experiencing (disease emerging from poor hygiene).

@newjaninev2 ofcourse we all have mutations. Also, we all have cancer everyday. And our body fights that cancer everyday. But still people get cancer, and the rates are increasing. Means that our body DOES have some form of defense mechanism. How we are treating it is most probably wrong if things are becoming the norm.

@AlexPett and the relevance of that is..?

[quote]some form of defense mechanism[/quote]

Umm, the immune system, perhaps?

@AlexPett Man, you're all over the place, jumping from factual mistakes to completely unsupported conclusions.