Science Really Does Point To God [Spirituality & Religion]

@GodSpeed63 Before you can ask that, you first need to prove the existence of your god... otherwise you have nothing on which to base that proposed intelligence.

@GodSpeed63 No. Never said so. (and you know it)

I´m saying that "Redness", the perceived quality do not make things to be Red.
And the material based behaviour that results in a light wavelenght in the approximate range 625–740 nm causes it.
Same for "Life" and other concepts, when describing the natural Universe.

Those Plato-like, knowledge-like, when proposed as a priori causes had never been detected as existent.
And even postulated as not messurables.

As results and not causes, they exist or may exist.
When proposed as causes are inexistent.

So, out of the own object and scope of Science.
And thus, not scientific whichever other merits they may have.
Calling them Science is a specific kind of fraud called pseudoscience.

@GodSpeed63 Don't bother debating bags of chemicals. No point. They don't have the where with all to understand their existence anyways. Their words not mine.

@hippyjoe1955 Do you know of anything that [i]isn’t[/i] composed of chemicals?

@GodSpeed63 Speedy, Hippy is, for once, right.
Do not debate, useless.
But, for the sake of honesty (something unthinkable to be asked to hippy), please adress that, also at least for once, what I DO say.
So you have not to make the imaginative effort to assign to me words that I´ve never said.
That would be enough and nice from you.

@CharlieZ It’ll never happen

@newjaninev2 Yes, he does.
The kind of manitou-like things like "dogness" wich make a dog be a dog, even if Carbon is not involved.
You can find a source of this amazing new discovery in Plato (around 423 BC – 348 BC).

@newjaninev2 [quote]Before you can ask that, you first need to prove the existence of your god[/quote]

I told you, He's already done that. You're just too blind to see His work in this fallen world of ours.

@newjaninev2 " It’ll never happen"
Have I told you that you are right?

@GodSpeed63 Do you not understand that being amazed by something, and being too lazy or too inept to establish a demonstrable cause, does not in any way justify making up a fiction that actually explains nothing?

@CharlieZ [quote]No. Never said so. (and you know it)[/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, you said, "ID, Intelligent Design is an delusion." As you know, intelligent design means an Intelligent Designer, whom we know as Yahweh, the God of the Holy Bible. According to His Word (Holy Bible), He created the heavens and the earth. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, I do not wish to put words in your mouth.

@newjaninev2 [quote]Do you not understand that being amazed by something, and being too lazy or too inept to establish a demonstrable cause, does not in any way justify making up a fiction that actually explains nothing?[/quote]

Do you not understand that you are talking about evolution and not the one true God, who lives forever?

@GodSpeed63 Wrong.

ID is a human construct, a non scientific one, not a requisite for faith.
The believe in God do not entail to agree with ID, as proposed by the Discovery Institute or else.
In fact, not a lot of christians believe in ID.
And are, no doubt, as christians as other ones.
Even less christians that are also scientists.

Be, please, consistent.
If you believe that God created the Universe, find how He did it on how the Universe IS.
Not otherwise.

Once more, take please note.
I´m not debating here the existence of God.
Never did so.

What I´ve said and say is that entities like an a priori "Life" that causes material living are not scientific.
Or are you saying that is a need to be fraudulent to have faith?

@GodSpeed63 [quote]According to His Word[/quote]

Again you rely on something that you have not established in oder to support what you have not established.

@newjaninev2 Radio waves. Electricity. Light. Space. Do you want me to continue to make a fool of you? How about thoughts? Feelings? Information? Just off the top of my head. However you being just a bag of chemicals can imagine nothing beyond chemicals. Again you made my point by showing how stupid a bag of chemicals truly is.

@hippyjoe1955 Umm... those aren’t things. Those are [i]effects[/i]

@newjaninev2 Really? Strange thoughts you have there. Must be the result of your chemicals misfiring.

@hippyjoe1955 So you’re not actually saying anything?

@newjaninev2 Not to you. You are just a bag of chemicals. Incapable of thought or experimentation.

@newjaninev2 [quote]Again you rely on something that you have not established in oder to support what you have not established.[/quote]

And you're not? Again, I will ask you, what basis do you have for your claims other than scientific, being that you keep describing Intelligent Design rather than evolution?

@GodSpeed63 And you're not?

That’s right, I’m not.

Demonstrable evidence consistently, coherently, and completely explained by a Theory that has predictive power.

According to your tortured ‘reasoning’ everything in the entire universe is the work of some nebulous, unexplained magical entity. Do you understand that explaining everything away actually explains [i]nothing?[/i]

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Do you not understand that you are talking about evolution [/quote]
The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is supported by real, verifiable, evidence. There is none to to support your made up "god jehovah/yahweh" thing. You can't even explain where it came from. It's obviously too complex to have just "popped into existence" and, as Joe says, if you can't get it started... :)

@GodSpeed63 Now go ahead and tell me that there’s no evidence for the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

Go ahead... make the mistake

@newjaninev2 [quote]verifiable, evidence[/quote]

Evidence that evolutionists have often mistaken for the theory of evolution instead of reading it accurately which points back to God.

[quote]ow go ahead and tell me that there’s no evidence for the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.[/quote]

Okay. There’s no evidence for the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection. That is actual truth.

One thing you two ought to know, the Lord God has the final Word on all this, not you or your supposed 'science,' if you can call it that.

@GodSpeed63[quote] Evidence that evolutionists have often mistaken for the theory of evolution[/quote]

Theories explain evidence. They do it consistently, coherently, and completely. Evidence for Theories doesn’t exist... that’s a creationist error. It’s the other way around... there are Theories for evidence.

[quote]There’s no evidence for the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection[/quote]

Do I really have to show you all that evidence again?