Do you believe in God? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Speedyman Brilliant!

@Speedyman So, your contention is that an irrational belief is a rational way to look at a rational universe?

No that us your belief ax an atheist. @newjaninev2

@Speedyman So you’re [i]not[/i] saying that an irrational belief is a rational way to look at a rational universe?

If not, then what [i]are[/i] you saying?

Atheism is irrational and theism is rational. Atheism is the irrational side of mankind where commonsense goes out the window@newjaninev2

@Speedyman Let’s examine that...

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods

Can you identify irrationality in that?


A magical entity appeared from nothing and then created the universe from nothing.

Same question.

Frankly your statements are idiotic in that The sort of gods you appear not to believe in we don't believe in them either. The reason you at the latest is because of your lack of rational thinking . Theism does not explain away anything but it does give a reason for everything @newjaninev2

@Speedyman [quote] The reason you at the latest is because of your lack of rational thinking[/quote]

Perhaps you could explain that, please. It just doesn't make sense.

Well if I believe nothing designed everything then I would think myself irrational but obviously you don't@Bushranger

@Speedyman Sorry, but you haven't clarified that statement. It just doesn't make any sense.

You are the person who believes that the design around did have a designer. That is a rational like all atheism@Bushranger

@Speedyman Perhaps you could retype the sentence in the way it was intended, that is, without the errors. Oh yes, and your last sentence in the post above doesn't make a lot of sense, either.

@Speedyman [quote]You are the person who believes that the design around did have a designer[/quote]

You have yet to prove the design exists.

@Speedyman [quote]but obviously you don't[/quote]

On the contrary, I do indeed fully believe that you’re irrational

An irrational person like yourself would obviously belueve that@newjaninev2

@Speedyman Oh, gosh. So, are you now saying that I shouldn’t believe that you’re rational?

No just realise you are not rational!@newjaninev2

@Speedyman But being part of a rational universe, she has to be rational. Unless of course, the universe isn't rational.

The problem is she is part of a rational universe but when it comes to the obvious she thinks irrationally. That is what atheism does. @Bushranger

@Speedyman No (I don't believe I have to say this again), Atheism is the lack of belief in God or Gods. @newjaninev2's stance on anything to do with science is based on her education and research. It may support her Atheism, but it is not driven by it nor is it a central aspect of Atheism (please correct me if I'm wrong @newjaninev2).

But, by your explanation of a rational universe, anything that can be logically and scientifically studied has to be considered to be rational. Therefore, you either owe @newjaninev2 an apology or you have to admit the universe is not rational. But regardless of what you decide, to the majority of people, she will present as far more rational than yourself.

Science assumes a rational universe and that's why the first scientists were theists. They believe in a rational universe and therefore one which was designed by intelligence . What I am pointing out that you assume the universe was made by irrational forces is saying that irrationality can make rationality. You really are quite muddled in your thinking@Bushranger

@Bushranger Another way of wording your definition of Atheism is that it is the belief in the non-existence of deity, but either way you define it, it is still a religion.

@BiblicalWarrior [quote]it is still a religion[/quote]

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods

Can you find any sort of belief there?

Can you find something that makes my agnostic atheism a religion?

@Speedyman The early days of formal science were characterised by a strong religious community. It was very rare for anyone to identify as an atheist and, if they did, it is unlikely they would have received an education. So, of course, early scientists were people of faith. However, in many cases they went against the accepted beliefs of their Churches.

So being theists was the norm. Going against the beliefs of their Churches because they disagreed with their observations is what made them scientists.

@Bushranger Galileo being a sterling example of that