Dear athiests and "scientists" [Spirituality & Religion]

@nowic2 or proved. But neither will ever happen so we just need to respect other people's beliefs. Live and let live

@Axeroberts Rofl

are you denieing a process of 200 years of secularisation in the western world?

And again, once a belief system tends to get to big (no matter what that believe is) it doesn't do "live and let live". It tries to struggle for hegemony over a specific region. And it really doesn't like prove that it was wrong or doesn't exist.

All these religious text in jewish tradition (I don't know the others all that well) make it verry clear that people with other ideas aren't welcome. The God of the old testament, even goes so far to create a genocide during exodus. Going so far as destroying the "buildings" of the people that lived in the "promised land" (Exodus 23:22-33) so that they wouldn't get anny "wrong ideas" in their mind that would let them astray from their Faith. Not only destroying the population, but destroying the memory of them, their entire dataset destroyed and whiped from excistence. Because God is afraid that his folowers will reevaluate their position. If you don't believe you are ridiculised and shame, as if "Doubtfull Thomas / Saint Thomas" didn't have a point when he said: "Yeah right, he came back from the dead. Sure!". It's only in a piece of literature that he can get bullied for making a rational observation. For the Kuran, just read the 2nd chapter. They didn't even wait a little bit to make clear how you should think about non-believers. It's all their fault, says the text, they don't listen it's their choice but just know believers are superiors and it will be okay. 😅

@Kwek00 if I wanted to read a book I would buy one. But individuals are not institutions so don't generalize. There are many beliefs so don't get it confused with religion. Common mistake

@Axeroberts Maybe you haven't read it really well?


What a joke, you want to discuss some important and loaded element with txt messages that have like 300 signs or something?


I'm not even generalising here... in the 60s churches were full over here. Now they are turning some of them into supermarkets :o . That "Blasphemy Laws" got abolished and that laws for same sex marriage god adopted? Abortion? Euthanasia? Are all slowly gaining popularity? That male patriarchical societies are under pressure and that "seperation" in marriage is slowly becomming a normality?

It's not because of a more devoted crowd in the population. This judeo-christian believe systems in the west are slowly loosing hegemony. This new thing doesn't have to be without religion, but religion takes a diffrent and less dominant roll in it. Last month our Church found out that a large number of 16 years old have no idea who Moses is. Now suddenly they have written stricter demands for teachers to meet for when people choose roman catholic religion. (yes, that a choice now a days, 70 years ago, not so much)

If a dataset is less dominant, it will reflect in democratic law making. Because the majority will have a diffrent view and will choose for a less strict application of their religious background. This will reflect itself in laws that get voted in parlement. Isn't that why people were so happy in the US that there is a new ultra-conservative-religious-judge voted into office? It's quite distastefull for a person like me, that "law" and the idea of "religion" get mixed in a political institution.

And I don't confuse religion and believes. But a "religion" is a "belief" , there are more believes" then just "religions". Hence I wrote: [...]once a belief system tends to get to big (no matter what that believe is)[...].

That idea might be political, religious, economical, etc ... It can even be in your personal circle. Never seen annyone pushed out of a friend circle because (s)he delivers the "unpopulair message" that it might not be a good idea to do something. Then they push the person out, because he's a party pooper. And in the long run the guy turns to be right?

@Kwek00 take your anger somewhere else

@Axeroberts I'm not angry
But I'm dissapointed that you make such a comment.

@Kwek00 well I am disappointed that you comment about churches when I am an individual and not a church or even religious for that matter. In other words you are barking up the wrong tree

@Axeroberts I'm just answering your post.


Maybe a public fora is bizar to you too, but that does mean people can answer your post