Why Is It So Hard? [Spirituality & Religion]

@canusernamebemyusername [quote]Lack of evidence that is testable.[/quote]

There's evidence everywhere. You for one.

@GodSpeed63 How is @canusernamebemyusername evidence of your particular god rather than, for example, The Flying Spaghetti Monster? At least spaghetti is real, your "god jehovah/yahweh" thing is a fiction.

@suzie1960 [quote]How is @causernamebemyusername evidence of your particular God[/quote]

Because, like you, he doesn't look like a monster.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Because, like you, he doesn't look like a monster.
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Irrelevant. I never said The Flying Spaghetti Monster made us in Quob's own image.

@suzie1960 [quote]Irrelevant.[/quote]

It is relevant. Both of you don't look like monsters, you look like the one true God, Yahweh, in whose image you were created in.

@GodSpeed63 You don't know whar The Flying Spaghetti Monster looks like. Your made up "god jehovah/yahweh" thing is only in your imagination so you can imagine it looking like anything you want it to. Regardless of all that, none of us were created by your imaginary friend, we exist in the real world.

@suzie1960 [quote]You don't know what The Flying Spaghetti Monster looks like.[/quote]

I really don't care what it looks like. You're not a monster.

@GodSpeed63 If you don't know what The Flying Spaghetti Monster looks like and you don't know what I look like you can't know we don't look the same.

@suzie1960 Shouldn't you be in bed by this time? Really, I think I'm talkin' to a little kid here instead of an adult.

@GodSpeed63 Childish insults again, you must be getting tired.

@suzie1960 You should be used to the childish insults by now, suzie. Those and Biblical quotes seem to be the limit of his abilities.

@Bushranger @suzie1960 That wasn't meant to be as an insult but an observation. As for the Biblical quotes, they're the truth. God is not a man that He is capable of lying.

@GodSpeed63 So There is something God can't do? Then he is not omnipotent:(

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Really, I think I'm talkin' to a little kid here instead of an adult.[/quote]

A very insulting "observation" in my opinion.

If God created humans in His image, all the things that humans are capable of were initially part of God. Therefore, God must be capable of lying.

@Bushranger Good logic.

@canusernamebemyusername Thanks, but it just seems so logical. The same with the whole free will thing. If God knows everything that is going to happen, as some Christians believe, then God will be fully aware of when someone is going to sin. If God is fully aware of when that will occur, it has to occur unless God decides to intervene. The person who is going to sin has no choice in the matter because it is part of the original creation.

Now, is that too circular? Can anyone see any logical fallacies or errors in my thinking? All logical (as opposed to rhetorical) input welcome.

@canusernamebemyusername All these comments here, but nobody pointed out that “god made you in his image” is in no way testable evidence of anything. It’s just a circular statement.

@QuixoticSoul He also said in a post that no one knows what God looks like so how does he know we are made in his image:/

@canusernamebemyusername Good call.

@canusernamebemyusername I thought of a good defense against your comment but I'm not going to mention it for a while. It will be interesting to see if the Christians can work it out for themselves.

@Bushranger free will and foreknowledge are not impossible together if i were to leave my son in a toy store for hours alone he would be free to play with anything in the store my knowing he would eventually play with a basketball would in no way limit his freedom knowing someone will sin does not exclude their choice in the matter

@DorothyMom While you were instrumental in your son's creation, you did not create the whole universe in which he lives. But, your statement that he will eventually play with a baseball bat suggests that outcome is inevitable. If he failed to play with the bat, that would be a better example of free will under what I understand of the conditions you have stipulated.

It is claimed that God knows what and when everyone will do. He would have known that before he started creation as God is and always has been omniscient. If free will existed under these conditions God would not know if Eve would eat the forbidden fruit which would mean that God is not omniscient.

you missed my point i was saying that my knowing what he will do has nothing to do with his freedom to decide what to do

@DorothyMom But in your scenario you don't know when he will play with the bat, just that there is a high probability that he will.

When God created the world, he was aware of everything that was going to happen, in other words, He had effectively pre-ordained those behaviours. My decision to turn left or right at an intersection appears to me to be free will, however, God would say that He knew that I was going to turn left because that was my small part of the creation. If God didn't know what was going to happen, then we would have free will to do as we wish.