I’m strictly going by what God said in His Word. He is incapable of lying, as He is perfect. I can rely on His description. You may prefer another, and that is up to you. @sandy055
@LadyGrace That word you say is His is your choice and preference that that is His only word. Who can limit Him or His words who is the infinite. It is your choice to consider that scripture as the authority. It is not wrong. There are many scriptures and many are His manifestations. I prefer one of them, you are right. Jesus is a son of God. But we believe Jesus is not the only son of God. You choose your preference and we choose ours.
'All paths, different though they seem, ultimately lead to the same God', says one of our sages.
I say that because there is no need for two books. God gave mankind one book....not many. He only needed one Book, which He gave to man, He is very clear on that. His Holy Book.
You say “we” believe. Whom do you refer to? Which faith?
You say you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but what you don’t say, is that you do not believe that Jesus is the Savior of the world, right?
The Word of God clearly states that there may be many paths to choose from, but only ONE leads to Jesus. There are three verses I can think of, off the top of my head, that confirm that.
1. There’s a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death. Meaning...spiritual death.
2. I am THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Life. NO MAN comes to the Father but by Me. That does not speak of many paths. We cannot change God’s Words to suit our perceptions. He sets the standards, not man. He didn’t say I am A way....He said “I am THE way....” All other religions' “founders” were mere men, not God himself. The religions of this world did not die on the cross to pay for our sins.... Only Jesus did.
3. Jesus is the Only Mediator between God and man. In other words, we have no access to God the Father, except through His Son, Jesus. We can twist that all around, but it still comes out the same. One Way to Heaven. Not many. If we don’t believe in what God Himself revealed in His Word, we may as well call Him and His Son a liar, and we know He is without sin and perfect. He cannot lie.
Jesus Himself said to listen to His Words and put NO CONFIDENCE in man. He warns against that.
That verse is just as clear as it can be. You can believe what you wish, but I’m sticking with what God said over ANY other book on the world.
It seems that when we are alive and breathing we are a living soul and when we die, no longer have the breathe of life in us, we become a dead soul
The Creation of Man
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Yes, notice in scripture that Jesus immediately went to Paradise. Sheol/hades was a realm with two divisions—a place of blessing and a place of judgment (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27–31). The abodes of the saved and the lost are both generally called “hades” in the Bible. The abode of the saved is also called “Abraham’s bosom” (KJV) or “Abraham’s side” (NIV) in Luke 16:22 and “paradise” in Luke 23:43. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol and, from there, took the believers with Him to heaven (Ephesians 4:8–10). @GJOFJ3
@LadyGrace well that takes a lot of adding things to scriptures. The rich man and Lazerus was a parable. Do you really believe you will watch your unsaved friends and relatives be tormented for eternity? If you go directly to heaven or hell what then is the purpose of the resurrection and great throne judgment?
Please, let’s discuss without accusations. How could I be adding to scripture, when scripture backs up what I copied from scripture? Yes, the story of the rich man and Lazarus is an illustration given so that we would know there’s no such thing as reincarnation and a few other things; that there is a place called Hell and there is a heaven. Also to note that once you go to either one, you’re there to stay.
Of course we won’t watch or even know who went to hell. It wouldn’t be heaven, if that was the case.
Without getting into tons of scripture, there are two separate holding places people can go to when they die. BOTH are in two of the different compartments in Hades. There are actually five compartments in Hades. It’s really not fair to only have time to briefly get into this. It takes deep study before conclusions can be made by the reader. I can’t do it justice with half an answer, but....
Sheol/hades was a realm with two divisions—a place of blessing and a place of judgment (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27–31). The abodes of the saved and the lost are both generally called “hades” in the Bible. The abode of the saved is also called “Abraham’s bosom” (KJV) or “Abraham’s side” in Luke 16:22 and “paradise” in Luke 23:43. The abode of the unsaved is called “hell” (KJV) or “Hades” in Luke 16:23. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol and, from there, took the believers with Him to heaven (Ephesians 4:8–10). The judgment side of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Ephesians 4:8–10 and 1 Peter 3:18–20.
Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10–11 as translated in the King James Version: “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. . . . Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation in this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43); He did not say, “I will see you in hell.” Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to be with the blessed in sheol/hades. Unfortunately, in many versions of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”
LATER, our bodies will join our spirit and the unsaved will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgement, and the believers at the Judgement Seat of Christ, Bema Seat. @GJOFJ3
Well, one day we will, if our sins have been forgiven by Jesus. We have to repent of them, turn away from sin to a new life in Christ, and ask Jesus to forgive us. 🌹🤗 @Sarabee
