A True Scientist [Spirituality & Religion]
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61-69, M
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Bushranger · 70-79, M
Ok, I watched all of this and have to say that I found it rather disappointing. Obviously, the speaker has a very white, Euro-central view of the world and society. I'll just look at one point, that of morality. To be told that all morality is based on Judaeo Christian religion is both simplistic and patronising.
Has he never heard of other, older, religions and philosophies that have strong moral compasses? Has he never looked at Buddhism, Hinduism, any of the thousands of religions that have led to good, effective moral systems?
I have said in the past that I believe that our systems of morality do have religious bases, but not believing in a God does not automatically mean that a person loses their morality.
Has he never heard of other, older, religions and philosophies that have strong moral compasses? Has he never looked at Buddhism, Hinduism, any of the thousands of religions that have led to good, effective moral systems?
I have said in the past that I believe that our systems of morality do have religious bases, but not believing in a God does not automatically mean that a person loses their morality.
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]Has he never heard of other, older, religions and philosophies that have strong moral compasses? Has he never looked at Buddhism, Hinduism, any of the thousands of religions that have led to good, effective moral systems?[/quote]
I'm pretty sure he has heard of other religions, but the Spirit of the one true God dwells within Him, and therefore, he's not religious. God and Jesus are not religious figures as John pointed out. They are persons like you and me. The difference is that God is the Creator and we're the created. No, Jesus was never created like, Father God, was never created.
I'm pretty sure he has heard of other religions, but the Spirit of the one true God dwells within Him, and therefore, he's not religious. God and Jesus are not religious figures as John pointed out. They are persons like you and me. The difference is that God is the Creator and we're the created. No, Jesus was never created like, Father God, was never created.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 You have no understanding of the use of words in the English language do you. But, besides that, prohibitions against behaviours as laid out in the Ten Commandments can be found in pretty much any other society. So, is the admonition to not kill espoused by the Buddha any less moral than that espoused by God?
Bushranger · 70-79, M
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@GodSpeed63 [quote]You have no understanding of the use of words in the English language do you[/quote]
I understand them pretty well but it's you that seems to have the problem of understanding them.
I understand them pretty well but it's you that seems to have the problem of understanding them.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger Where do you think Buddha got his ideas from? God has been around way longer than Buddha has.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Except that the Buddha did not believe in God and taught that nothing is permanent. What Gods the Buddha spoke about were the Hindu deities. He also said that a rebirth as a God in heaven was only a temporary thing and less significant than rebirth as a human.
Doesn't sound much like something your God would teach. Unless your God encourages people to question and disagree with him.
Doesn't sound much like something your God would teach. Unless your God encourages people to question and disagree with him.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]Except that the Buddha did not believe in God and taught that nothing is permanent.[/quote]
So? He didn't teach himself all that is moral. He got it from somewhere.
So? He didn't teach himself all that is moral. He got it from somewhere.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Yes, his basic morality would have come from Hinduism, which was the religion in which he was raised.
I suppose now you are going to tell me that Hinduism got its morality from God. So God obviously also agrees with multiple Gods.
I suppose now you are going to tell me that Hinduism got its morality from God. So God obviously also agrees with multiple Gods.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Come on, my friend. You're not going to let this one get away, are you?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]You're not going to let this one get away, are you?[/quote]
There's only one true God, my friend, who lives forever. There's no other but Him. He wrote the book (Holy Bible) on the true identity of men and their history. All these other organized, man made religions and their false goods took their teachings from His Word.
There's only one true God, my friend, who lives forever. There's no other but Him. He wrote the book (Holy Bible) on the true identity of men and their history. All these other organized, man made religions and their false goods took their teachings from His Word.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 So the Bible is the only document that teaches correct morality?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]So the Bible is the only document that teaches correct morality?[/quote]
The orginal book that teaches morals and the only book that leads men to salvation and the truth through mercy and grace.
The orginal book that teaches morals and the only book that leads men to salvation and the truth through mercy and grace.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Nut the Hindu Vedas predate the Bible and they taught morality.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger Not a chance.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 I know you have problems with facts, but what part do you disagree with?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger The Word of God comes way before that Hindu Vedas and is way more truthful and way more reliable. That's the truth.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 As I've said so many times before, that is your truth. It is not the only one when it comes to supernatural beliefs. Those who believe in the Vedas would say that you are mislead and defend their beliefs as strongly as you.
Now, are you also saying that the Vedas have no moral content? Or are you saying that God gave them that content?
Now, are you also saying that the Vedas have no moral content? Or are you saying that God gave them that content?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]As I've said so many times before, that is your truth.[/quote]
As I've said many times before, the Truth has me and not the other way around. It's not my truth that I'm sharing.
As I've said many times before, the Truth has me and not the other way around. It's not my truth that I'm sharing.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 And others will want to share their truths. But stop prevaricating and answer my question.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger I just did.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Ah, I forgot that I have to be very literal with you. I was referring to the part of my question dealing with the morality of the Vedas.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger I haven't read the Vedas, so I don't know how much of its so called 'Morals' is from the Word of God.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Well, let's just look at one of them. The proscription against killing. Is that something that only your God could come up with?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]The proscription against killing.[/quote]
That was on the mind of God even before the one who wrote your Vedas was born. I'll bet this moral isn't in your Vedas: Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. Matthew 6:44.
That was on the mind of God even before the one who wrote your Vedas was born. I'll bet this moral isn't in your Vedas: Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. Matthew 6:44.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 All morality systems have similar conditions in them. They are there to make it easier to live with each other. Why is the prohibition against murder the sixth commandment and not the first. Was God so unsure of his ability to control his people that he had to make the first four commandments about himself? I wonder if they were written in the time of Jesus, would they be different.
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