Intelligent design? [Spirituality & Religion]

@suzie1960 [quote]Hardly "intelligent design".[/quote]

You just proved my point, you were never a Christian in the first place, not a true believer anyways.

@GodSpeed63 Wrong again. I stopped being a christian when I discovered the truth about christianity - it's all myths and superstitions.

@suzie1960 [quote] I stopped being a christian when I discovered the truth about Christianity - it's all myths and superstitions.[/quote]

It's sad, your statement just doesn't hold water. You were never really a Christian in the truer sense of the epithet. If you were, you'd be holding on to the truth like there's no tomorrow.

@GodSpeed63 You just can't accept the fact that I managed to escape the lie that christianity is. I found the truth, you're still trapped by a lie.

@suzie1960 [quote] I found the truth, you're still trapped by a lie.[/quote]

No you didn't. All you did was discover how weak you were in the faith and was too embarrassed to admit it. Rather than sticking it out, you gave up and ran trading the truth for a lie. That's how it went, isn't it?

@GodSpeed63 You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. I broke away from the lie that is christianity when I found the truth. Whether you accept that or not makes no difference, you can't change the facts however much you'd like to.

@suzie1960 [quote] I broke away from the lie that is Christianity when I found the truth. [/quote]

Is that what you keep telling yourself everyday hoping that one day it'll be true?

@GodSpeed63 No, I already know it's true. Are you trying to convince yourself that you're not trapped in the lie I escaped from?

@suzie1960 [quote]No, I already know it's true.[/quote] If you did, you wouldn't be contending with me so much.

@GodSpeed63 I'd like to help you see the truth or, at the very least, help others avoid the lies of christianity.

If you're so sure of your beliefs, why are you spending so much time trying to convince others? Isn't really that you're trying to convince yourself?

@suzie1960 [quote]I'd like to help you see the truth or, at the very least, help others avoid the lies of Christianity.[/quote]

The truth is not in you, Suzie Q, as you had hoped. Maybe it was never in you in the first place, only God knows.

All I know is this: if you're going to try to help me see the truth, first you need to receive Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, be baptized in His Holy Spirit, which brings us into all truth, and then study the Scriptures with His truthful guidance. "If you abide in My word, you are my disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8: 31 & 32. That's His promise to you, not mine.

It's not about religion, Suzie Q, it has been or ever will be. It's all about a Father - Child relationship with God through Jesus Christ by His holy Spirit. That's the plain truth that can't be refuted.

@GodSpeed63 No, what you say is not the truth, it's the same lie I fell for when I was a christian. What you call "the plain truth that can't be refuted" already has been but you can't see that because you're blinded by the lies of christianity. You need to study the bible with an open mind as I did. Then, when you find the truth you'll be able to break free from the trap just as I was able to. Good luck, you'll need it.

@suzie1960 Wishful thinking, Suzie Q.

@GodSpeed63 You're in denial because you can't face the truth.

@suzie1960 Looks to me, Suzie Q that you're the one not facing the truth. Everyone on the planet has that tendency, you're no different from anyone else.
In my case, I have faced truth that is real and I'm still here.

What are you afraid of?

@GodSpeed63 I'm certainly not afraid of your silly made up "god jehovah" thing, it's just a figment of your imagination. I found the truth and I'm still here too. :)

@suzie1960 It seems like you are. You're afraid to prove your point which gets me to wondering if you really trust in what you believe is actually true.

@GodSpeed63 You're projecting again. I've proven all the points that require proof. We're all still waiting for you to present your evidence. Admit it, you don't have any. :)

@suzie1960 [quote] I've proven all the points that require proof. We're all still waiting for you to present your evidence. Admit it, you don't have any.[/quote]

You're dreaming again. You see, I really don't believe that you were ever a Christian in the first place, Suzie Q; not a true Christian anyway. This is why I challenged you to prove your point. Are you up to it or not? I mean, what do you have to lose?

@GodSpeed63 You're in denial again. You can't accept the fact that a christian could ever see through the deception and break away from christianity so you have to pretend she was never a christian in the first place. It's the old "no true Scotsman" fallacy. What point do you want me to prove again anyway? If you didn't accept the evidence first time around why would you accept it now? What's changed? It seems to me you're becoming less certain of your position.

@suzie1960 Being evasive, are you Suzie Q? Again, what have you got to lose? If you refuse to believe the truth set before you, then prove it wrong be taking the challenge and prove what you believe is the truth. It's that simple.

@GodSpeed63 Ah, if only that were true. You see, any evidence given you is dismissed on the basis of being inaccurate due to human sin or to claim that God told you it is wrong. Faith might be trumps in your game, but it's not the only game in town.

@Bushranger I don't play games here. This is not a game where somebody wins and somebody loses, or who's right and who's wrong, or who believes what. This is about getting at the truth.

@GodSpeed63 And you only have the ability to see what you perceive as truth through the lens of your faith. I don't have a problem with that, but do feel sorry for the limited view that it provides.

@Bushranger Again, you don't understand. The Truth has me, I don't have the truth. I don't perceive it or claim as my truth. Belief follows truth, not the other way around. If you permit, the truth can have you also. It's up to you.