What will you do when the tests in science point to an Intelligent Designer? [Spirituality & Religion]
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bijouxbroussard · F
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@bijouxbroussard It's the other way around, the Designer is the source of science.
bijouxbroussard · F
@GodSpeed63 So whence came said “Designer” ? 🤔
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Said Designer was always here. Said designer was never created.
bijouxbroussard · F
@GodSpeed63 And that’s why I don’t believe it. It makes no more sense than any other mythology.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Why does God have to be created before it makes sense to you?
bijouxbroussard · F
@GodSpeed63 Logic, basically. If a being has the ability and mind to plan a world as complex as ours, accepting at face value that the being was “just there” is not enough information for me. I assumed when I was small I would learn these things as I became an adult, but no one’s been able to explain it to my satisfaction.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@bijouxbroussard Yes, I hear you. 'Just there' is inexplicable and incomprehensible. But [u]existence[/u] itself is, 'just there' and therefore 'why does anything exist at all' is also inexplicable and incomprehensible (one of the questions considered unanswerable by philosophy and science). Big bang does not explain existence, it only explains the universe. It emerged from what?
Lawrence Krauss posits 'quantum fluctuation' to explain something from nothing. A false vacuum fluctuated into existence, creating space and time... I heard him unable to defend it very well though:
'So if it fluctuates, this "nothing" has properties. It can't be nothing if it has properties.'
'No it is nothing.'
'How can it fluctuate?'
His view is considered one of the best answers - along with: it didn't have a beginning (series of endless universes). Which simply begs the question. The universe is a text book copied from a previous text book, which was... which is like asking what was the tortoise standing on? Yet another tortoise. It is EXACTLY the same dilemma.
Lawrence Krauss posits 'quantum fluctuation' to explain something from nothing. A false vacuum fluctuated into existence, creating space and time... I heard him unable to defend it very well though:
'So if it fluctuates, this "nothing" has properties. It can't be nothing if it has properties.'
'No it is nothing.'
'How can it fluctuate?'
His view is considered one of the best answers - along with: it didn't have a beginning (series of endless universes). Which simply begs the question. The universe is a text book copied from a previous text book, which was... which is like asking what was the tortoise standing on? Yet another tortoise. It is EXACTLY the same dilemma.