What will you do when the tests in science point to an Intelligent Designer? [Spirituality & Religion]

@SW-User If the universe created you, then who created the universe?

@Sepukkuredemption please explain how it isn't.

@GodSpeed63 According to your logic, God. However, an extension of that same logic requires that a being have a creator. So, who created God who created me? A super-God? If so, who created that one? A super-super-God? So on.

Intelligent design is not passing the buck, it's recognizing that no accident can produce complex detail in all that is now existing. Accidents can't produce beauty nor can life come from non-life. The laws of science.

@GodSpeed63 Or, if you are asking me what I think created the Universe, then I don't know. And, in any case, why do we have to have God to be good, decent human beings?

@SW-User No one created God. He was, He is, and He'll always be the one true God that lives forever. There is no other but Him.

@GodSpeed63 Beauty is a subjective term. In the eye of the beholder, the saying goes.
And I never said life can come from non-life. It takes a good grasp on the life sciences to realize this.

Do not try to quote the laws of science to me. They're far too rigid to try and bend them to these delusions.

@GodSpeed63 Your own logic forbids this. God, a being, had to come from somewhere, yeah?

@SW-User First, all matter had to have a beginning, however, God is not composed of matter, but is spirit (Jn 4:24)(Lk 24:39)(Mt 16:17).

Second, God is everlasting, eternal, and not limited by time (Ps 90:2)(Ps 102:24-27)(Rom 16:26)(Isa 40:28)(Isa 43:13). He has always existed, and always will exist. He sees the past, present, and future all at once.

Third, God is omnipresent (Jer 23:23-24)(Prov 15:3)(Mt 10:29)(Job 34:21-22). He can and does exist outside of the confines of space (2 Chr 2:6)(1 Kin 8:27)(2 Chr 6:18).

Fourth, we know that anything that has been created, changes and wears down over time. However, God has [u]never[/u], nor will He, ever change (Heb 13:8)(Mal 3:6)(James 1:17)(Ps 102:26-27).

@LadyGrace my point makes sense, and you can't refute it or tell me why I'm wrong. So you say the same thing over again.

Pathetic.

Your point only makes sense in the physical realm, not in the spiritual realm. The spiritual realm has laws that operate in reverse of the physical realm.

@GodSpeed63 How do you know? Have you been there?

@SW-User You can’t refute my points. The best you could do was say your point makes sense, then call [i]my[/i] answer pathetic. and resort to being critical. I never repeated myself. It’s not about who’s right or wrong. What you’re trying to accomplish is figure out an infinite God with a finite mind. Can’t be done. However, God gives us the answers in His Word, but since you refuse to believe that, there’s nothing God can do for you.

@LadyGrace You cited two totally different things. One, the Bible, a religious text, and two, a groundbreaking scientific text, and then tried to yarn them together. They don't fit.

@SW-User No I haven't but I know the One who has been there. God is Spirit and dwells in the spiritual realm where He works from in the physical realm. I know this because His Holy Spirit dwells within me when I became born again. I've had a physical birth then I needed a spiritual birth in order to know God on a personal basis just like you can know Him.

@SW-User Why? Didn't you know that God created science to show us His creation and how He's made it all work? God didn't make this fallen world, man at the fall of mankind. God doesn't make junk.

@GodSpeed63 You've spoken to him? And he's spoken back?

@SW-User They fIt. What brought about the beginning? The Bible says it was God (Gen 1:1)(Heb 1:10) (Ps 102:25)(Neh 9:6), and even Einstein, while not a Christian, apparently came to believe in the possibility of a higher power at work, based on this theory.

@LadyGrace The Bible says it was God. Not the theory. A theory which itself contains neither a claim for God's existence nor a claim that God does not exist.
You're making mighty long leaps of reasoning here. What Einstein learned is solid. What Einstein thought is not.

@SW-User We know, because we’ve tested them out. They work. People get it backwards. In the spiritual world, things work just the opposite of what you think. Your thoughts are not God’s thoughts. Faith is not belief without proof. It is trust without reservation. For example: In the spiritual world, the “proof” of things hoped for, comes [b]after[/b] it has materialised... and [u]because[/u] of your faith! A person can’t put God in a box of their own understanding. It doesn’t work, because God is Spirit. That’s why the Bible says do not lean on your own understanding, but have faith in what the God of this universe tells us. The only way to have understanding of creation, and the world...this and the Spirit world... is to be born of the Spirit. Spirit understands spirit. You’re missing a lot of information when one does not have the Holy Spirit in them to give them knowledge. That’s why it all seems like foolishness to you. The only way to receive the Holy Spirit is to accept Jesus as your personal savior. And then you will understand things better.

We don’t get to set the standards. God does. He’s smarter and wiser than us.

@LadyGrace once again you repeat your statement, just in different words. 'Just believe and you'll know! Believe and you'll see!'

Faith is literally belief without proof.

@SW-User ok. I don’t think we’re understanding each other. First, what is the real issue here with you? Do you believe in God? Do you believe in God’s Word? The Bible gives you the answers you seek.

@SW-User Faith is not belief without proof. After Jesus died, it became a matter of our spirit knowing God’s Spirit, that’s why it takes Faith now to know Him, since you can’t see Him. You can’t see gravity, yet you know it’s there because you see the effects of it. If a person will just open their eyes, they will begin to see Jesus in everything about nature. God does not expect “blind” faith from us. He tells us that faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the Word of God. [Romans 10:17] Do you blindly believe you have the assurance of waking up tomorrow? Are you prepared? That’s what counts, above all.

@LadyGrace No, I do not. At least, not as God is generally written. By that, I mean benevolent, all loving and all powerful. I believe that, if I thought that a deity like this might exist, it certainly is not as it is written. Certainly not all loving and benevolent. All powerful? Maybe. But the usual things certainly don't apply.

Do you know what I choose to live by? What I choose to believe in?
The message of Jesus. Not in Jesus himself, but what was written that he said. Overall, peace, kindness and goodness for goodness' oen sake. Instead of blindly worshipping on Sunday and going about life, concerned with myself, I do whatever I am able to to help someone else who is less fortunate than I.

The Bible will give me the answers I seek? No, the Bible tells comforting lies slathered in honey. Enlightenment, true enlightenment, comes from within yourself. Not a book. Not a religion. YOU. I am happy with my existence helping others that I can and I sleep soundly at night knowing that I've made the world even a little less needlessly cruel.
What do you do? Stay up late into the morning baiting Internet dwellers with conversations that inevitably end in stalemate?

Belief is irrelevant. Action is real. It has meaning.