All beauty is built on a foundation of ugly. [Spirituality & Religion]

@terribleperson that’s exactly what it is.
It’s also completely true.

Matter of perception

@terribleperson I guess to see the point beyond the superficial might be his point. From an artist's perspective this becomes inspiring because when have certain talents, you'd rather keep them for yourself. Chill friend.

@StokedFox good shit ur smoking huh

@terribleperson it is a matter of perception and that’s all that matters... or all that doesn’t matter

Depending on your perspective and all.......

😶 I mean I guess

And of course these discussion can't decide truth just provide insight and wisdom on topics.

The idea I've landed on lately is kinda the structuralism take on things

We impose a structure onto the world right

So good and bad are applying to the same things so it makes it easy to think both bood and bad can't be without each other and are actually the same. Really it's a structure that we are imposing on the thing.

So while they r connected and part of the same structure it's still separation. It's a distinction and a trait alone to itself.

@terribleperson lol don't you wish you knew what that meant

@StokedFox u just wish ur second sentence was clearer

Maybe add a noun to the preposition

Idgaf about Grammer at all but Idk what u saying

@terribleperson we have very different minds friend. You're rude because you know you're limited. It feels gross to interact with someone like this. Sorry I started it 🤢

*shrugs*

I mean, I could assume a bunch of things bout u too but I'd rather just admit what I don't know.

But that distinction only exists if you exist. The distinction is as temporary as your life. The universe continues.@terribleperson

What’s even more temporary is your perspective on anything. It’s as likely to change as the seasons.
@terribleperson

Well ur speaking on a personal level with that one.

It should be more like human life in general even though many of these structures are ever changing.

And ur right without human life these things wouldn't exist and the universe would carry on.

But studying these structures not only gives us insight into the structure itself, but also the way humans in general work.

It becomes increasingly more useful once we start talking about things like economics or astetics like art and stuff like that.

@terribleperson but remind yourself that perspectives differ and structures and paradigms rise and fall. With so much diversity in our collective dynamic, how could one be more true than the other when neither were true before we held such importance in our relative place in existence?

All things eventually return to nothing.
This is from which it came.

The void is what allows anything to exist.

There is level of fluidity to all this though. All human structures will be forever changing. And truth of these structures will constantly be more or less relative to those paradigms.

So truth about logistics 500 years ago was greatly different.

Structuralism was founded by people studying languages originally. And that is subject that will forever b changing between generation


And this doesn't take away from how dicatomies are actually joined.
It just means those traits don't mean anything without the context we put them in.

@terribleperson so if they are disconnected then the universe must fall apart when we cease having opinions about it?

It sounds like that’s what you’re saying.

@GardenSage that last part is a pretty grand statement

Its rather hegelian too

Ur point seems more metaphysical while the existence of things is probably more theoretical physics.

It's not to say ur wrong and that requires a very complex answer that I don't have other than that's getting into a very specific category

@GardenSage no the universe exists on its own.

Seperste from the structures we make

The universe wouldn't cease just out structures would.

Let’s get literal.

A beautiful painting must be applied to a canvas which lacks beauty.
Foundation.
Make-up applied to a woman enhances what she views as less-than-beautiful
Foundation.
A garden can only be built on top of dirt.
Foundation.

@terribleperson then they MUST be connected...

Or more important, the difference never existed in the first place.

Well I'm not preaching dualism but dualism is an idea that would that they r not connect and there is a huge difference.

My take on structuralism is that the imperic universe influences the world of human structures and is grounded by it.

Ur formar argument kinda feels a little cause and effect to me. U have to have this to cause this to happen. And that's a great way we make sense of the universe. That's human thinking.

It's kinda like how these dichotomies are illusions; the way we make sense of the universe is just that illusion.

So u would say the diry is the foundation for garden. U started with the dirt and without it u could not have the garden. We see the distinction between the dirt and the garden. We desire to express these difference. So we make a system to explain these things and the lean more about these things.

Without the phenomenon of the garden, we wouldn't have anything to explain. So we never would have made words like garden or dirt. But if our structure changes and those words change the dirt and the garden do not actually change. Their relationship to one another doesn't change. But the structure changes.

If we go away, that method and distinction between garden and dirt disappears while the things in themselves still persist.

And let me just take a moment to say I'm enjoying this conversation. This is fun. It's good to talk to ppl about topics and different ideas creates great conversations. I respect u and ur views. And I don't think our views are mutually explosive.

But the beautiful garden is one with the dirt. They aren’t separate.

The canvas becomes the painting. They aren’t separate.

The woman embodies the beauty. They aren’t separate.

And on top of that... there are individual perspectives that might find beauty in just the dirt, or the wonderment of an empty canvas, or the majesty of the raw human body.

We can’t even agree on what beauty is to separate it from ugly!!!