Atheism, Agnostic...? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Emosaur He'll probably use the Bible as a source even though technically you shouldn't when you're arguing about the validity of Christianity.

@hippyjoe1955 I respect your faith, but this is sort of a bias answer. Also, technically atheists don't believe in spirits, God, Jesus or any other deity.

@ImGladAgain87 And yet the author wants some sort of 'spirituality. Hmmmmm.

@Emosaur And your proofs are?

@ImGladAgain87 And your source documents are????

@Emosaur Your proofs that my allegations are false. You ask me for proofs and I ask you for the same. If you can't back up your side then I have no need to back up mine.

@hippyjoe1955 look up th definition of atheism. Read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins!

@Emosaur Ditto. Well said btw.

@Emosaur LOL, and your welcome.

@ImGladAgain87 A Christian knows his faith is true by the evidence put on his or her heart by God... but it's also not like if we lack evidence. Christianity is the only historical faith. Most charges against it are predictable, and easily debunked (yeah, Richard Dawkin's book was easy to refute...)...
... so if you are spiritually flagging.. then pray truthfully... and the Lord will return to you...

@SW-User We all have our the right to our opinions. Period. You put your faith in Christianity because you're a Christian. Christianity is NOT the ONLY historical faith. BTW, Christianity is also easily debunked just like most religions. I'm sure there are those who believe they've debunked The God Delusion. Just like those who believe they've debunked the Bible. Like I said, faith is a belief... an opinion. Which is my opinion. I don't claim to be an expert btw.

@ImGladAgain87 You have the right to your opinion, but it won't end well if you're not a christian, because that's the requirement for eternal life. Period. Unfair? Maybe, but take that up with the Judge upstairs (and if you read the Bible carefully, it's not really unfair) - remember... He paid the price for us. The God Delusion is totally debunked... but then again, Richard Dawkins makes silly, easily refutable arguments... and he lives in his own bubble.
But ok... the one part that's not an opinion... is... that Christianity is the only historical religion. The only one. You might say Islam -but not really, it's a bad copy, and it's events all start and end in one short period. If you think otherwise... then name the religion... artifacts, historical occurrences, historical movements (you know, like the evangelization of the world... and the raising and lowering of nations)...
... not trying to pile on... but... just sayin'...

@SW-User You say you respect my opinion and then on the same breath have the fucking audacity to try and proselytize to me in a backhanded way. Judging me for having a different perspective. For seeing life through a different lense.

Idiot, all religions have a certain historical significance within human history! Your just claiming that Christianity is the only true historical religion to validate your beliefs... YOUR narrative!

I’m no expert so I can’t do justice to your request. But I think you already knew that. I will say, as an opinion, that no religion has all the answers. Period. To claim that is dangerous! It leaves no room for critical thinking, which is an essential part of human progress.

I am not going to claim that I know what happens after we die or that I have all the answers. That’s apart of the great mystery called life and I honestly cannot wait to find out!

@ImGladAgain87 Amazing. You feel offended. I didn't judge you in any way, but you responded in a way not uncharacteristically for many atheists, acting offended when I point out the obvious truth that if a religion is true - and I believe Christianity is true, then it doesn't allow for "whatever works for you thinking" - which is clearly what you have fallen into. No matter what "lenses" you see life through. Getting offended doesn't change the argument, even if it makes you feel you are taking the high ground.
You imply you understand the christian faith, but simply aren't a believer - but you clearly don't understand - and you have the audacity - to get mad at me for pointing it out. Then you fell back on the usual "don't judge me" even though... you weren't being judged by me.
.... there's nothing backhanded about how I posted things. I said straight up what happens if one goes before judgment without Christ as a Savior - it doesn't end well for that person. Being nice to them and not hurting their feelings... now that is a disservice - apparently one that all too many christians are guilty of.
... it's true that other religions have some of the answers. That's also totally irrelevant. I suspect you know that.

Of course I'm going to be offended and yes I have the audacity to get mad, who wouldn't??? Your bible bumping and that tends to piss a lot ( and not just Atheists ) people off! Don't get me wrong, I respect your beliefs as a Christian, but please don't try to shove your beliefs down my throat. If your attempt is to try and steer others ( especially young people like myself ) towards Christianity by bible bumping then you're not going to get really far. A lot of people (Even Christians) get really turned off by that approach. But this is my opinion. Again, I only ask for you to not try and shove YOUR beliefs down my throat.

That being said, Christianity is YOUR TRUTH! YOUR BELIEFS! And your welcome to your beliefs just as I am welcome to mine. BTW, I was born and raised a Christian. Protestant and then later Methodist to be exact. I choose to no longer be a Christian because I choose to experience life through a bigger and wider lens. To move beyond the constraints that Christianity and other religions have on people. That and I have a lot of issues with the Bible that I don't agree with, but that's for another discussion. Nevertheless, I'm still a good and morally sound human being, even as an Atheist! I'm still a spiritual person. A spiritual Atheist to be exact. You'd be surprised how many Atheists are actually spiritual. Atheist's in general just don't belief in a literal God that created and controls the universe. For more info about Spiritual Atheism, check out this website to get a better understanding at what I'm saying. Link: http://spiritualatheism.com

@ImGladAgain87 Still babbling are you? Yelling now too. Touched a nerve did I? The Gospel has a way of doing that. Bible-thumping, huh? Yeah, it's called the Great Commission and it's Jesus' primary charge to his followers. He didnt say we'd be popular either.
Atheists don't believe in a literal God, huh. So what? There is a literal God, and He's described in the Bible. No one said you aren't welcome to your beliefs - but I'm just pointing out how fatal they are. Atheism isn't reasonable - it's a denial of not just biblical truths, but of history and nature, and it doesn't end well. That you don't agree with things in the Bible or with christianity only means that you are free to choose, but it doesn't relieve you of the results of the choice - and it probably means you're just giving in to feel-good beliefs. Maybe not, but probably.
If you are an atheist, then you've chosen a much smaller and thinner lens, certainly not the other way around. Freedom comes from being freed by Christ. If you were a christian, then you'd know no one qualifies as a good moral person for purposes of salvation. You may be a good moral person, spiritual even, but it doesn't matter, not even a whit. there's a verse for that too. I'm sorry that "I'm ok, you're ok" doesn't work in the real works, and it doesn't work on judgment day - but you didn't really think such a superficial construct would be enough, or did you? Christians aren't saved because they are good moral people (though many are and they're sustained that way by Christ), they're saved because their sins are paid for.

I have to ask, are you Ray Comfort in disguise? lol. Wouldn't surprise me if you are, lol. You totally sound like him. Anyways, like I said, you have your narrative/ beliefs and I have mine. I assume ( but correct me if I am wrong ) that you also believe in the creation story as a literal fact? Ha! That wouldn't surprise me either. Even though science has pretty much rebuked creationism as a whole. If you don't believe me, do your research! I'm only pointing this out since you said: "Atheism isn't reasonable - it's a denial of not just biblical truths, but of history and [b]nature[/b], and it doesn't end well."

Anyways, I can now see without a doubt that we are at a stalemate. You're hardcore, I'll give you that, but so am I when it comes to my beliefs. Being a Christian has taught me a lot, but now I'm moving beyond the confines with my spiritual and morals intact. Except for the fact that I no longer believe in a literal version of God as Christians define him/her. I know in my heart that if the so-called " Judgement Day " does come then I will be seen as a good person who did something good for the world. That I helped people, that I respected nature and tried to make the world a better place. Isn't that what the Christian God also basically asks as well? (I'm talking in broad terms.) How are we any different if all we seek is to do good? We both want to make the world a better place. Feed the poor, help the environment stay healthy and sustainable, preserve both human and animal life!


But hey, maybe this is all superficial to you. Who knows?! I'm not you. I'm strong enough to not let bible bumpers like you deter me from my beliefs or goals.

Anyways, nice chatting with you. I think I've said pretty much all I've wanted to say.

Tootles!

You still aren't being honest with yourself. You can believe, or not believe - but it's not a "narrative" ... and it's not mine. When judgment day comes, you will not be "seen" as a good person, even if you are the best person ever, because no one is. That's been ruled out. That's the christian message.... and no... that's not what the Christian God would think... He outright denies that in the Bible. That's the feel good fantasy.

Nice chatting with you. Take care.