Aren't babies born atheist? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Cutiepi23

Atheism isn't necessarily a choice.
It certainly can be, but all that defines an atheist is the lack of belief in a god or gods.
Babies lack a belief in god or gods.
Therefor babies are atheist

@MetalGreymon Its just a label your giving a baby why bother if they have no concept..it's silly. For example babies don't believe in much at an early stage even love, they bond with their mother but they have no concept of love.

@Cutiepi23

It's just a thought i had.
And it appears to be correct

It's an assumption based on faith and can be debated either way...

@Cutiepi23

Well not really. At least you haven't yet.

The definition of an atheist is a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in god.
By virtue of their lack of a concept of god, babies necessarily fall into the later category.

Can you offer a rebuttal to that point?

yes either way its an assumption.
A baby has believe that it will be fed by its mother so there is an assumption that a baby is capable of some form of belief at an early age. Therefore who can say what is in the mind of a baby.
From a Christian point of view there are mentions of believes of a baby see psalm 22:9.

@Cutiepi23

Thank you for providing an example that supports my point. A baby might have a belief that its mother will feed it because its mother feeds it. A baby has no belief in a god because there is nod god in its experience or understanding.
Just because a baby is capable of a belief does not mean that it believes in something for which it has no concept.

And psalm 22:9 is not a baby's beliefs. It's a person talking about how god made them. I believe it is specifically in reference to jesus although i could be wrong about that

The psalm is trying to say that if a baby has the ability to believe who can say it does not believe in god it has a soul. Anyhow maybe we will find out for sure one day. Personally I don't know if a baby believes in God,however I don't think calling a baby an atheist has validation. Just my personal belief if that's ok!!

@Cutiepi23

Doesn't it seem the logical default position to assume that a baby doesn't believe in god because there's no way it could even know what god is?

@MetalGreymon If you assume that...

@Cutiepi23

What reason is there to assume different?

It cannot be verified either way so it's what your own assumption is.

@Cutiepi23

Does that preclude us from making logical assumptions based on the evidence?

A baby doesn't even develop the understanding that there are other thinking agents in the world besides itself until it is several months old.
Developmental psychology shows us that. So if a baby can't even conceive of a consciousness distinct from its own, is it not logical to assume that it cannot conceive of a god?

I did say all that at the start of the conversation to you and you repeat it back.

Whats logical to you can seem illogical to others nothing can be verified.

@Cutiepi23

Are you capable of presenting a logical counterargument?

yes you don't seem to be able to do anything except hear your own side of things I have an open mind. The answer to your question is it cannot be verified and like other people have said why even put a label on a baby. Try getting someone else's opinion why is mine of such interest.

If you are trying to be clever it doesn't wash sorry

@Cutiepi23

"it's unverifiable" is not a logical counter argument to why there is good reason to assume that babies have no concept of god and therefore no belief in god.

Do you understand?

@MetalGreymon

I am perfectly capable of understanding and believing in my own thoughts and opinions. Posts upon posts only serve to make you look desperate to look super knowledgeable on something you cannot verify.

Unverifiable is my opinion like it or not. You asked a question, not for me to write a thesis. Now go ask someone else's opinion if you want to gather a collection of different opinions. perhaps it would be good for you??

@Cutiepi23

And now i'm asking you to defend your opinion. I'm asking you if you can logically support your assertions.

If you cannot, simply say so.
No need to start resorting to personal criticism and speculation about my motivations.

@MetalGreymon
Babies also don't believe the proposition "there is no god" so they are not atheist either If that answer doesn't satisfy you you wont get another sorry.

@Cutiepi23

You don't have to believe there is no god to be atheist.

To be an atheist you must either believe there is no god or lack belief in god.
One is an active disbelief, the other is simply an absence of belief. I assume you understand the distinction?

And babies lack belief. Or at least there is compelling reason to suppose that they do.

So no, your answer doesn't satisfy.
But if that's all you're willing or able to produce then so be it.🙂

@MetalGreymon what you produced I wouldn't call a fantastic question or answer..it's simply serves no real relevant purpose what a baby believes does it or are you off on one again hahaha 😴

@Cutiepi23

Well then i'm not sure why you've spent so much time in this thread lol
But since you've chosen to criticize the question itself i think it's clear to both of us that you have nothing of intellectual merit to offer, yes?

If you decide you would like to make a logical counterargument (so NOT an insult or a complaint) then you are welcome to do so at any time.

Up to you😏

If you enjoy asking questions and answering them yourself you on the wrong site.
Have you never noticed you do that???
You stand out to me like a someone who has a wasp in their brain. Buzzing around going no where.
I answered your question it's not my problem if you don't like my answer. Also your underhand criticism doesn't go unnoticed. 🙈🙉🙊

@Cutiepi23

Did you notice that as soon as i challenged you, you started making things personal?
lol

Like i said, come back when you having something of intellectual value to add.😌