Must everyone be rich.
I think if everyone should be rich. Helping each other will be more easier. For everyone will nwws onw another with no conditions
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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
It's so sad all that are basically giving the same answers in support of keeping things the same.
Greed indeed is our worst enemy, when the vast disparity between the ultra wealthy and desperately poor is so grossly immense.
The top 5% of the wealthy combined in the USA make more income than the bottom 90% combine.
Such vast differences only points to uncalled for immense greed.
The irony of this is none on this site are even in the top 30% yet still support this type of greed.
They are their own worst enemies.
Greed indeed is our worst enemy, when the vast disparity between the ultra wealthy and desperately poor is so grossly immense.
The top 5% of the wealthy combined in the USA make more income than the bottom 90% combine.
Such vast differences only points to uncalled for immense greed.
The irony of this is none on this site are even in the top 30% yet still support this type of greed.
They are their own worst enemies.
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chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer Greed is not only our worst enemy, it is also our best friend... all good things we have in the world are also the result of human greed, just as the bad things are.
You can't have one wihtout the other. Take away greed from the human being and you take away both the good and the bad.
You can't have one wihtout the other. Take away greed from the human being and you take away both the good and the bad.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 added edit... [quote]The irony of this is none on this site are even in the top 30% yet still support this type of greed.
They are their own worst enemies.[/quote]
They are their own worst enemies.[/quote]
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer If they do not support this "greed" then they have no chance to achieve what this greed can potentially give them or has given others.
Those that do not support this "greed", in their cases it is a case of "the grapes are sour"
Those that do not support this "greed", in their cases it is a case of "the grapes are sour"
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 do you understand the chance of that happening? It's astronomical.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer But its still a chance... do you work on what is even 1% possible or overturn the system to make it impossible?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 I am not fool enough to play the lotto much less anything far greater.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer Does sound like sour grapes, though!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 sour grapes are for those that have grapes.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer My point exactly!! It's like: "I don't have grapes and some people do... and I dont like it. So I will destroy their grapes."
If I can't have it, you can't either!
Now that's the definition of sour grapes, but in an even worse, perverted and violent way.
If I can't have it, you can't either!
Now that's the definition of sour grapes, but in an even worse, perverted and violent way.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 no it's not the point. Because I never said I wanted grapes.
You obviously do. So is your wine soured? Or is it in that top 5% of the highest quality wine?
You obviously do. So is your wine soured? Or is it in that top 5% of the highest quality wine?
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer Even if my wine is not in the top 5% highest quality, I know 2 things:
1) It can be.
2) It needs a certain amount of power and resourcefulness to make it so. If I am incapable of coming up with such resources, then that wine is not for me but for someone else who can
If you say you do not want grapes, then what is it that you want?
Coz it actually seems that you want the grapes so much that you're wiling to stop others from having them!
1) It can be.
2) It needs a certain amount of power and resourcefulness to make it so. If I am incapable of coming up with such resources, then that wine is not for me but for someone else who can
If you say you do not want grapes, then what is it that you want?
Coz it actually seems that you want the grapes so much that you're wiling to stop others from having them!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2
1. astronomical odds
2. So you give up.
I want people to consider why there is such historical disparity. Not be supportive of continuing this catastrophic mindless behavior.
1. astronomical odds
2. So you give up.
I want people to consider why there is such historical disparity. Not be supportive of continuing this catastrophic mindless behavior.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer
[i]1. astronomical odds
2. So you give up.[/i]
At least in the realm of the possible.
No, I try until I can try no more.
Why is there such historical disparity?
And is forced redistribution the answer?
[i]1. astronomical odds
2. So you give up.[/i]
At least in the realm of the possible.
No, I try until I can try no more.
Why is there such historical disparity?
And is forced redistribution the answer?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 you speak as it would be all inclusive when it's not. As well as if it needs to be done all at once which is impossible.
Yet even the concept of changing seems to be abhorrent, no matter what the rate of change.
It never was all or nothing. Change is gradual. Yet no change seems to be wanted. Which is also absurd.
Everything changes. Some things faster than others. Yet never in extreme measures.
Yet even the concept of changing seems to be abhorrent, no matter what the rate of change.
It never was all or nothing. Change is gradual. Yet no change seems to be wanted. Which is also absurd.
Everything changes. Some things faster than others. Yet never in extreme measures.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer
Everything changes. Some things faster than others. Yet never in extreme measures.
THIS!
👍
That's just what I'm saying... there's n need to force any sort of change at the whim of a few - whether the few are powerful or downtrodden.
Let society take its own course and change come as naturally as possible.
Everything changes. Some things faster than others. Yet never in extreme measures.
THIS!
👍
That's just what I'm saying... there's n need to force any sort of change at the whim of a few - whether the few are powerful or downtrodden.
Let society take its own course and change come as naturally as possible.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 nope! Because this system is not natural, society is a man made concept.
So you can't let society take it's own course. Society was designed to keep things the same. Which is unnatural.
So you can't let society take it's own course. Society was designed to keep things the same. Which is unnatural.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer Of course society is a man made concept... what else will it be? And it is as natural as man is natural... every animal has its own society... ants do, bees do, birds do, lions do, elephants do, chimps do... and humans do. In every society there are defined roles and there is constant striving to get out of these defined roles into something more.
All social creatures compete AND collaborate... their actions are codified over time and thus forms society.
And if there is no attempt to keep things the same then what are we left with? Constant change? The writ of one powerful individual running after the writ of another powerful individual?
What do you propose in place of society?
All social creatures compete AND collaborate... their actions are codified over time and thus forms society.
And if there is no attempt to keep things the same then what are we left with? Constant change? The writ of one powerful individual running after the writ of another powerful individual?
What do you propose in place of society?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2[quote] Of course society is a man made concept... what else will it be? And it is as natural as man is natural.[/quote]
Less controlling of at least our own people. What we are doing is self destructive.
[quote]every animal has its own society... ants do, bees do, birds do, lions do, elephants do, chimps do. [/quote]
Yet none of those control others to the degree that man kind controls everything. Yet that's beside the point.
[quote]In every society there are defined roles and there is constant striving to get out of these defined roles into something more. [/quote]
Beside the point again. Yet I'll reply.
Absolutely no single creature in nature controls hundreds of millions of there own kind.
Not to mention other creatures.
[quote]something more.
All social creatures compete AND collaborate... their actions are codified over time and thus forms society.
All social creatures compete AND collaborate... their actions are codified over time and thus forms society.[/quote]
Not to the detriment of their own kind in mass numbers.
[quote]And if there is no attempt to keep things the same then what are we left with? Constant change? The writ of one powerful individual running after the writ of another powerful individual? [/quote]
Everything changes. Life itself is change!
As nature abhors a vacuum, so does change abhor a stasis.
Nature has an answer here though. Nothing controls their own kind in the millions.
Not even ants!
What we are doing is self destructive.
Less controlling of at least our own people. What we are doing is self destructive.
[quote]every animal has its own society... ants do, bees do, birds do, lions do, elephants do, chimps do. [/quote]
Yet none of those control others to the degree that man kind controls everything. Yet that's beside the point.
[quote]In every society there are defined roles and there is constant striving to get out of these defined roles into something more. [/quote]
Beside the point again. Yet I'll reply.
Absolutely no single creature in nature controls hundreds of millions of there own kind.
Not to mention other creatures.
[quote]something more.
All social creatures compete AND collaborate... their actions are codified over time and thus forms society.
All social creatures compete AND collaborate... their actions are codified over time and thus forms society.[/quote]
Not to the detriment of their own kind in mass numbers.
[quote]And if there is no attempt to keep things the same then what are we left with? Constant change? The writ of one powerful individual running after the writ of another powerful individual? [/quote]
Everything changes. Life itself is change!
As nature abhors a vacuum, so does change abhor a stasis.
Nature has an answer here though. Nothing controls their own kind in the millions.
Not even ants!
What we are doing is self destructive.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer
Refuting all your points one by one will be a little too tedious for me now... and I apologise for that... Suffice to say that your approach is one of idealism and mine is one of pragmatism.
You operate on what you think the world "should be" in your imagination... which other may or may not agree with. I operate on what the world is and how we can negotiate it and navigate through it.
But I would still like to ask... since you are so critical of the world as it is, what alternative do you propose and how do you think that alternative can be implemented?
Refuting all your points one by one will be a little too tedious for me now... and I apologise for that... Suffice to say that your approach is one of idealism and mine is one of pragmatism.
You operate on what you think the world "should be" in your imagination... which other may or may not agree with. I operate on what the world is and how we can negotiate it and navigate through it.
But I would still like to ask... since you are so critical of the world as it is, what alternative do you propose and how do you think that alternative can be implemented?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 you can't get more pragmatic than nature! 😄
And I gave my answer. You obviously didn't read my whole reply.
Your stagnancy is out own doom. Nature is our examples. Even nature changes. Or it kills itself off. Which has happened billions of times if not more.
It's change or be doomed.
And I gave my answer. You obviously didn't read my whole reply.
Your stagnancy is out own doom. Nature is our examples. Even nature changes. Or it kills itself off. Which has happened billions of times if not more.
It's change or be doomed.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer I read and re-read your replies and did not see you proposing any alternative system - just saying in various ways that the one we have is not to your liking.
If it's nature you're counting on, then I think it's all good. Nature means time... and things change with time, as they should.
If it's nature you're counting on, then I think it's all good. Nature means time... and things change with time, as they should.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2
Geesh!
[quote]Nature has an answer here though. Nothing controls their own kind in the millions.
[/quote]
Geesh!
[quote]Nature has an answer here though. Nothing controls their own kind in the millions.
[/quote]
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer That does not suggest any alternative system to me. At worst it seems like you're a closet revolutionary (anarchist) or at best that you're ok to let nature take its own course.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@chilloutab2 if you can't follow the thread I sure as heck am not going to repeat it.
chilloutab2 · 41-45, M
@DeWayfarer You don't have to... I did follow the thread and my previous message is a summary of your ideas as I perceived them.
I'll copy and past my summary here:
[i]That does not suggest any alternative system to me. At worst it seems like you're a closet revolutionary (anarchist) or at best that you're ok to let nature take its own course.[/i]
If you feel I have perceived you wrongly, then my power of comprehension and your ability to explain yourself properly may both be limited.
I'll copy and past my summary here:
[i]That does not suggest any alternative system to me. At worst it seems like you're a closet revolutionary (anarchist) or at best that you're ok to let nature take its own course.[/i]
If you feel I have perceived you wrongly, then my power of comprehension and your ability to explain yourself properly may both be limited.
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