I will never understand why someone wants to get a fake pair of breasts…

@itsok I guess… but I think people should just be themselves..

I feel it’s usually more for what they think other people will think about them rather than what they think themselves about them..

@AuRevoir if you get fake boobs, then you are yourself.. with fake boobs.
Have you talked to people who had boob jobs? I’m close with some. They are still real, and still good, and I’m glad they were able to get what they wanted.
If you’re talking about not liking insecurities, I understand that. I know we both have insecurities.
If you’re thinking someone getting fake boobs doesn’t make them anymore attractive to you, then you’re making someone’s else’s boobs about you, not them.

@itsok I’m talking about letting the world change you.. when your fine just the way you are..

You don’t a $1,000 Gucci or Prada bag to be cool, the same way you don’t need thousands of dollars spent on boobs to be cool with others.. if people don’t like or value you for you.. then why change for them?? It’s usually about an over the top expectation.. and those same people you’re referring to at the end are doing it exactly for that reason.. not making the boobs about them but they’re changing their own body for the perception of everyone else around them.. making their boobs for others.. if their boobs weren’t for others why would you need to change them in the first place?? I don’t follow that line of logic.. it sounds like something someone would say that contradicts.. “oh I got them for me..” “got them for you how?” “To get more attention from them..” “more attention from others you mean.. because clearly you’re not using them for a specific purpose.. they don’t allow you to jump higher.. swim faster.. become smarter.. clearly..” “yeah but it’s the attention I get so it’s for me..” “no, you allowed others to make you feel as if you’re not getting attention.. so they bent you to your will.. and other than losing thousands of dollars.. you’ve only lost instead of gained..” “no, no, no.. it’s really good now that people stare at my chest instead of my eyes..” “👀☕️ Okay then..”

@AuRevoir but the world shapes us. In good and bad ways. It has shaped you too.
You don’t need expensive things, but if you like them and obtain, then it’s a part of you. People can be fine with them. They can also be fine without them.
You can also be not fine with them, and not fine without them.

So it sounds like you are talking about insecurity (from expectations), and you don’t like how insecurity can show up in luxury items and in plastic surgery. But insecurity does not have to show up in those ways, and it’s not the only reason to get those things.

People are able to able to see themselves. You can appreciate yourself and make decisions on your appearance for yourself. You also make those same decisions for yourself. What clothes you choose, how you decorate.

@itsok I agree with everything you said

@itsok I feel like you’ve gone from talking about insecurities to almost justifying vanities at this point and I just disagree with that sentiment entirely… especially when what they go through is again for the sake of others to revel in instead of themselves… maybe if it was done with a “generous spirit” in mind it could make sense.. “oh I got them for others cuz I just love making people happy and who doesn’t love big boobs?” But outside of that it’s just a twisted thing.. that deserves no justification.. and should be recognized for its twisted form in the world…

People get them because the world has made them feel unworthy and shit for who they really were.. because if they didn’t have them they were shit.. that was the label they were given.. but instead of fighting the label, they accepted the label.. if that’s not truly sad and showing what’s wrong with the world then I don’t know what is..

@AuRevoir so instead of trying to make women feel better about themselves you just want to make them feel worse because they made a decision for themselves to get implants?

How does this help?

@AuRevoir but you know people have preferences in how things look. You have preferences on how things look. You are a very visual person. You enjoy art.
You’ve agreed elsewhere that you think it’s ok if someone that has cancer gets fake boobs afterwards. That is a preference on looks, but you can justify it that way. There are people who don’t have breast tissue. Like women, born with vaginas that as adults don’t have breast tissue, and want to. Can you justify it then? and if so, what if someone had have an ounce more breast tissue than them, could you justify it then? What if someone had one breast and hated how it looks, is it justified then? And if you can find all these exceptions, then again, it’s become about your preferences.

There’s so much sadness around insecurity, but it seems like you’re twisting it closely with other things.

@AuRevoir people get them for a variety of reasons .
Some women have had mastectomys, or breastfreeding really stretched them out and they lost their shape, some women have reductions for various reasons.

Yes some do it for sheer attention factor and man catching, some do it becuase itll help bring back their sense of feminity or self identity.

Some people pay thousands for cars, watches, gaming shit, food, flashy clothes, the lastes phone.

Trashing every woman who wants new boobs is , well, very assuming on your part . You are thinking they all have the same motive in mind.

When they dont .

If it makes them happy, and it hurts no one....good for them.

Not every patient gets massive tiddies to overcompensate for lack of personality, some go for aesthetics of what they once had, or remedying the aging affects of time.🤷‍♀️

@itsok how is it justified when you’re born with what you’re born with vs. what cancer steals or takes away from you?

I don’t understand how your example correlates to that..

That’s more about pushing back against the cancer as a survivor..

I just feel like the media and society has become too exceptional at convincing everyone that they’re not good enough.. if you disagree that’s fine but I’ll never see it that way..

@AuRevoir because it’s purely about looks both ways, and I’m supportive of both.
I also have empathy for people who don’t feel like they’re good enough no matter how that insecurity shows itself, physically or not.

@OogieBoogie gaming, phones are all things you use.. usually for means to provide some kind of happiness..

Do women just get fake boobs to touch them and start feeling happiness?? 🤷‍♀️ If you’re going to use an example you have to make it correlate and connect to the example being used.. to they stand in front of a mirror just looking at their breasts for long periods of time? The same way they look at different clothes? Do they provide an essential need such as clothing? To keep you sheltered from being seen naked? To keep you warmer.. and safe from the elements?

Same with food.. does it really uplift your mood on a daily and helps your brain to continue to function properly?

I feel like you chose very poor examples in this regard..

And the one examples you do use only prove my point more.. “well they’re not as shapely or they’re sagging more..” again because some form of societal impact made women feel less than they are.. so they go out of their way to spend thousands of dollars on it? This is not registering as sad or fucked up to anyone? Only to me?? Okay then…..

You can have your perspectives and I’ll have mine I guess..

I just feel like it’s a con man’s game.. and the majority seem to enjoy buying the snake oil.. when they really never needed it in the first place..

@itsok I just don’t like people being taken advantage of for thousands of dollars so idk

You can see it your way.. I’m not here to change minds about it anyway.. 🤷‍♀️

@AuRevoir is it about the money?

@itsok it’s about the process..

Step 1- make women feel inferior..

Step 2- make society reinforce impossible and unrealistic standards..

Step 3- provide a tacky solution

Step 4- yield high profits from tacky solutions and somehow convince the world we’re the good guys..

It’s conman 101.. and it’s annoying to see it’s success on such a high level.. Taking advantage of people is all they care about..

@AuRevoir i dont get what you're upset about.
Men have been making women feel imferior for hundreds of years , and your pithy about women finding a work around that empowers them ?

Do you think we are going to shake off hundreds, if not thousands of years of being made to feel less, in just a few decades, when half of the world is still oppressing women?

We find a work around, we are excellent at that,
....and making men think it was their idea in the first place, is in every woman play book since we came out of the caves 😏

But.....this sounds familiar.....we've been getting this attitude for thousands of years 😂
Men say: be this way , we find a way to make it work in our favour , and some get shitty about it🙄.

Sorry man. Im sorry we cant fit into your exact expectations, but frankly, some of us have evolved enough to no longer care .
We try to do what makes us happy within the patriarchal expectations we live in.
And since its a case if 'damned if we do, or damned if we dont'...what do we care about what guys think of our choices ?

We cant win either way.🤷‍♀️

@OogieBoogie Well said

@itsok ive loved reading your argument. Calm, empathetic, logical and peaceful.
Debated beautifully.

@AuRevoir body image can be very debilitating or freeing.

You say my reasonings are poor, but then make silly exagerated examples of them which looks foolish within itself.

A good set of tits can do nearly anything for a woman .😂
They are such an obsessed over body part by many men, they are like instant hypnotism and mind control🤣

Im not going to dismantle your rather ridiculous exagerations, but i could say....
...
Why does a guy think he needs to question why women choose to do what they want ?

Why is he perpetuating the archaic male perception that his opinion matters over ours?

And why is he telling us what our self image should be?

And why is he lumping all women who choose breast implants into one single category of motivation ?

Seems like its just the same ole story to me : men telling us what and how we should be.🤷‍♀️

@OogieBoogie It'd only be a work around if the ones performing the surgeries and getting the thousands of dollars per surgery were female doctors, not men... so no.. there is no "Way around it.."

And if it was about women scheming this into thinking it was a mans idea.. Then your entire statement wouldn't contradict itself with "Men make us feel this way.." but then contradicting with "we don't care what people think.." if that was true how would they have made you feel a specific way in the first place? Why speak in contradictions?

They could win by not giving the actual con men who schemed the idea the thousands of dollars.. but instead everyone seems to be on the bandwagon of "Yes.. take my money.. these breasts of complete shallow potential will prove my point...... somehow.............." okay so i'm complaining about why they shouldn't get scammed and your argument is what exactly? Yes women are "Empowered" by having fake breasts which raises the risk of breast cancer? I don't understand how being out of money, and raising a risk towards breast cancer is a win?

The whole situation just baffles me..

And you're trying to make me out to be a bad person, when i'm simply showing that i care? Please explain.. so basically your stance you're taking is to be opposite of me.. so you think women aren't good enough.. and need breast enhancement surgeries.. and if a women then doesn't get one and follow suit she's not good enough.. because that's where you're choosing to draw the line in the sand on your side of things?

I don't want them to lose money, but no i'm a bad guy.. cool beans.. good to know where your logic falls into..

maybe i should just take a page from your book and stop giving a shit about anyone.. let them all be herded like cattle and fleeced for all their worth.. Easier path on my part.. since i'm so wrong i guess i'll do that..

@AuRevoir you do realise that its usually the womens husbands that, more often than not, pay for them right?😏
And assuming all surgeons are male is kinda ......predictable. 🤣

How do you care?
By telling us what we should want?

Wouldn't it be better to allow us our freedom of choice as individuals, and not deride us for choosing to feel and look feminine in a way we want to and makes us feel good?

It makes me wonder why someone would shame a woman from embracing her femininity as she chooses.

And.....I wouldn't recommend referring to us as cattle.
THAT, was a bad choice of words to end your 'caring' opinion with .

Smh🤦‍♀️

@OogieBoogie What do you mean a guy telling you what you should be? The moment a woman walks into a doctors office and has a dude put his hands on her breasts.. and TELLS HER "This is what your titties should be.." That's the dude doing all those things?? Not me..

I'm the one saying.. "HEY DON'T DO THAT! BE YOURSELF!" and you're arguing "NO! HOW DARE YOU AS A MAN TELL ME WHAT TO BE!" Like the fuck kind of crack do you smoke.. Telling others to be themselves is somehow telling them what to be now? Being yourself is for you to discover? I didn't know it involved giving MEN thousands of dollars.. For some fake plastic inside your chest though.. but if that's the standard you have for today then take it.. I don't give a fuck.. I only felt bad because it's such an obvious fucking scam..

And the only thing breasts would get you if you're going to go down that route.. would involve sex work.. so again.. sex work which usually involves the opinion and validation of "Men" so your whole argument.. sounds like some dude from the 50's just pulled up in his dusty ass Jalopy and is trying to tell me a thing or two..

Enjoy your weird ass male perspective in a female body..

And my examples weren't exaggerations.. if anything you tried to compare boobs to video games and cell phones? Boobs to technology? I simply broke down the audacity of it all.. because it's stupid to compare them..

@OogieBoogie I'm not shaming women? You just choose to see what you want to see... I'm shaming the industry.. it's a con..

You're defending the con.. Not women.. You're now saying "Men pay for the breasts" why do all your examples have men at the height of momentum with the determination of women getting the breasts if this is all a womans choice?

And I didn't assume all men, I stated the majority is men who perform the surgeries.. Now you're just making shit up because you have nothing but straws to grasp at..

you support the con.. I don't support the con.. the only difference is your arguments sound like a 70 year old man is talking.. and it just keeps going in circles.. Go away, shoo fly.. you're bothering me..

@AuRevoir video games are useless, time wasting, and potentially addicitve potentially depression causing pastimes.

A woman goes into a drs office for boobs by her choice.

And its NOT my standard.

Im defending my fellow sisters to be allowed to choose for themselves, what they want .

And no. YOU are selecting singular meanings and outcomes that are not the only possible potentialites .

Im not the one being unreasonable here.

But if these are the only options you see for women when they choose breast surgery, then id say you are the one with conditioned thinking about women .

@OogieBoogie You fail to give any true example outside of the fact that it's a con, with an entire industry backing it... "It's a choice" a choice to raise their chances of breast cancer? Are they even fully aware of all the details and facts... I doubt they do.. most likely the only thing they ever inform the women on is that there's a chance the bag might explode and they might have to do emergency surgery to remove it.. I doubt they tell then anything about cancer because that'd hurt their industry.. and they're all about making money.. and people take cancer too seriously these days..

I have evidence on my side while you have a false flag of virtue signaling thinking it makes you cool and special.. Giant industry proving it's a con.. Scientific facts it causes cancer..

My concerns are real..

I say women are being conditioned into feeling these things otherwise they'd never make such a choice..

you say I'm stuck in "Conditioned thinking" about women.. But you have no example of conditioned thinking.. What am i conditioned into, other than believing they shouldn't be conned.. shouldn't allow others to make them feel so worthless that they have to go through an invasive surgery? You keep trying to make me the bad guy by being on the opposite end of this argument.. "Yes feel like shit! get that surgery! lose your money! increase your risk for breast cancer!"

If this is your example of you being an ally to women, then who needs enemies? Your so cool bro.. tell me your story again bro..