So if regular people controlled the world what would our work life look like???

@kayoshin Do you really feel like the asshats-with-power in your life are...regular?

Yes. I've seen people ascend the social or workforce ladder and how even the tiniest step up changes all. In fact the people with wealth and/or power that handled themselves with some moderation/humility, more often than not, were (in my anecdotal experience) born into privilege (money/power) instead of gaining/earning it. It's easy to blame all our problems on the higher ups and most of the times it's also true, but to assume we would be any better or nobler in their place is pretty naive as well (and when I say "we" I mean "regular people" as a collective, not a random saintly exception ... even that I'm afraid would be corruptible given enough power).

@kayoshin well...so should the privileged asshats continue to run the world if you could choose?

Also you know about monkey see monkey do. Copycat syndrome makes regular people MORE asshat!!!!

A little awareness always helps I say...

As long as you have "rule" you have privilege. It's not that I would have them, it's that I see it as inevitable. I'm not saying keeping the current rulers is better than putting an average person up there, i'm saying the average person will turn into a privileged asshat as soon as you put them there and it has nothing to do with "monkey see monkey do" it's all about human nature. You are wired to be selfish, care about your own, distrust those that are different look for enemies etc, they are not really choices they are part of you and no matter how much you moderate them you won't be able to control all those aspects at once all the time and be a perfect unbiased unemotional ruler. The only way to have a perfect ruler would (in my opinion) to have the ruler not be human at all (benevolent AI dictatorship).

@kayoshin Look at some Richard Wolff presentations, and see what he says about all this. HOPE dude.

People on soap boxes existed since the ruling class stopped coping their heads off for talking in public. It's easy to sell people what they want to hear. I've been sold the "rule of the people" for quite a while,and i wasn't the first, communism is an old idea socialism is another. Rule by the people is nothing new and it's been tried in practice since ancient Rome but the reality is it only works on paper because you can't take the human nature out of the human (at least not yet i guess? ). The way I see it, RW is too smart to believe in a "rule of the people" system so it points me to either a political bias or a shock and awe technique of staying famous and relevant.

Well, regular people are running worker owned and operated cooperatives BIG TIME in Spain and there are many of them in the US and probably lots of other places...

They exist in monasteries and convents too you know.

Also in many of the intentional communities.

Cooperatives existed and exist trough most of Europe as far as I know, especially in the agriculture sector but it's not an adequate model to base a social balance of power on. While the economic partnership can work as it is beneficial to all parties involved and input is always proportional to output (investment and labor), it wouldn't translate properly into the social aspect simply because it's impossible to clearly quantise the value and proportion of participation of each kind of job in society. How would you keep people doing shitty jobs if they could all be politicians ? How would you have the people respect the law and ruling of the higher class if you don't have a higher class? Your examples are based on the most extreme cases: union for survival (cooperatives formed to save small businesses and farmers from the corporative world in a market they would be extinct in otherwise) and abandon to a religious power (it brings you back to what i said: convents work because the monks renounce human needs/desires so basically it works because they are NOT "regular humans").

@kayoshin Ok, this is a place for respectful discussion.

We need to agree to disagree.

NO JOB NEED BE SHITTY. It takes a profound change in mindset.

Hope you can too.

I didn't mean any disrespect, I just found your arguments unconvincing from my POV but I didn't mean my counterpoints as personal offenses.

@kayoshin By deliberate DESIGN most people still think like you.

I know people's minds are easily influenced and I have no doubt that if they needed to be convinced of my point of view they would, however I disagree with you again, people get into the "destroy the class system" mindset all the time so the design must be really flawed or it simply doesn't exist, revolutions and insurrections happen all the time then people realize they don't have the capability nor the willingness to care for all the problems of the population and they'd rather have someone else handle the global issues while they focus on the personal ones.
The other issue is you believe that my philosophy is heavily influenced by others when my general mindset is based on small scale observation and I take all unverifiable information as potentially false, you could have noticed that if you read carefully one of my previous replies where i tied my philosophy to observing people ascend trough the economic or social ranks and noted how it changed them. you proposed a couple of society models that work, i offer you a counter proposal: social media. Ruled by the people with close to zero interference from "the law". I'm afraid that your utopia ruled by the people would basically be "real life Facebook where how many friends and how you are percieved matters more than your contributions to society or rights" (remember how Facebook didn't have that many rules now it has increasing more of them? That inevitably happens because you can't leave human nature unchecked.