@xixgun I say about $150.

Richard Wolff talks and talks makes this stuff real. You Tube thank you.

I didn't mean any disrespect, I just found your arguments unconvincing from my POV but I didn't mean my counterpoints as personal offenses.

@kayoshin By deliberate DESIGN most people still think like you.

I know people's minds are easily influenced and I have no doubt that if they needed to be convinced of my point of view they would, however I disagree with you again, people get into the "destroy the class system" mindset all the time so the design must be really flawed or it simply doesn't exist, revolutions and insurrections happen all the time then people realize they don't have the capability nor the willingness to care for all the problems of the population and they'd rather have someone else handle the global issues while they focus on the personal ones.
The other issue is you believe that my philosophy is heavily influenced by others when my general mindset is based on small scale observation and I take all unverifiable information as potentially false, you could have noticed that if you read carefully one of my previous replies where i tied my philosophy to observing people ascend trough the economic or social ranks and noted how it changed them. you proposed a couple of society models that work, i offer you a counter proposal: social media. Ruled by the people with close to zero interference from "the law". I'm afraid that your utopia ruled by the people would basically be "real life Facebook where how many friends and how you are percieved matters more than your contributions to society or rights" (remember how Facebook didn't have that many rules now it has increasing more of them? That inevitably happens because you can't leave human nature unchecked.

TY very much Patti!
And you too Burnley!