I Think It's Time To Change Our Political Conversation

@Miram its about right !!
when you ask for electricity without cutting it from you ,
when you ask for clean water without cutting it from you
when you ask for safety and security
when you ask to have good education and the right to make your own business without trying to take over 70% of it for free !!!
yes its about right !!!

@anas0 No one is taking their businesses. They lack the competencies and are unwilling to invest time in learning how to manage any sort of businesses. They rather cheat their ways into diplomas. And then whine about not getting hired for that very certificate in a country where everyone else has it.

Guess what? We all started from nothing. I worked in a cleaning agency during my teens, in television repair shops and in tutoring while most of them were wasting their monthly allowances on cigarette and dating girls they have no intention on ever marrying, because they look down on a woman that dates. And to them it is nothing but a toy.

As to electricity, what on earth are you on about? The average Algerian pays 20£ taxes for electricity and gas every trimester. The average Canadian pays $75-95 per month. Of course the service is going to be different. And not that much anyway. You get the electricity cut off during the winter couple of times because of the weather condition. And on top of that, who are the incompetent fucks who work in the electricity company? Algerian citizens..

There is already security and safety in Algeria. But thanks to stupid greedy people protesting over nothing, that will end. The Algerian Army worked so hard to keep the country safe from all the foreign terrorist threats coming from every direction. Now it is all thrown away because they have to relocate forces and there are already weapons being smuggled inside the country from Libya.

Think, work and stop whining.

@Miram are you from Algeria ? because you sound like that ?

@anas0 Algerians sound ALL the same, sure. 🤨 And how does that change any of this?

@Miram i dont know , because your so angry that i feel that i am saying something about algeria you didnt like !!!

if i ever said something that made you angry? thin i apologize

@anas0 Nonsense is nonsense. How others "feel" about it doesn't make it any more logical. Same for the opposite.

If you have anything of value to say, that is actually related to my response I will be more than happy to reply.

@Miram ok.
so what your saying that all protesters around the world should not protest, and that we just should let corruption happens because corruption is every where? !!!

@anas0 [b] I am saying that those protesting in Algeria are corrupted themselves and they have no legitimate cause. [/b] Their lives are what they made them to be.

And I gave you the reasons why, and you responded to none of that.

@Miram
maybe thy are seeking Repentance !!!

you cant just judge them all because you,v sow one or 100 bad people, that dosent meant the world is bad !!!
there is still me and you and others

@anas0

That is hilarious. Seeking repentance by claiming the government is the sole problem when they are the problem. I don't see any of them renouncing their diplomas since they haven't earned them to begin with.

Go and fetch me a single dissertation written by an Algerian in Algeria, free of plagiarism.

100 bad people? No, it is the majority. And you're included in it since you defend it so dearly and disguise it in words like "democracy" "rights"..And fail to show any of these rights you speak of.

Is it because you just sit there regurgitating what you hear on the media?

What rights do Algerian men lack? Answer that.

@anas0 Maybe the government is seeking repentance!! You can't just judge them all because you saw yours!! It doesn't mean all governments are bad!!

Maybe all are bad and you can't just judge them all as good because of you and me!!

See how hilarious is that way of thinking? 🤨 I can't tell if you're taking me for an idiot or you really believe that.

@Miram are you talking about men ? because i am talking about right, despite being man or woman !!

how about the right to speech the langue thy want, to practice to worship what thy want ,

beside if thy haven't earned diplomas by the right way. dont you think thats the government fault for allowing it in the first place ?

@Miram no i am not taking you for and idiot

i believe that some of the government do want repentance, but thy have to show us some signs that we can trust them , because thy did nothing before the people ask for the change ,
just the same way the people should show some signs thy thy too want to change !!!!

but in the end governments the army's were made to serve the people , not the other way !!! so if the people said NO then NO...

@anas0 It's everyone's fault including theirs. They already have the right to free speech. If you go out demonstrating with the protesters and tell them you are an atheist, it is not the police that kick your ass or any officials. It is the protesters, MOST do not believe in religious freedoms despite the laws.

Do you think university can kick out everyone? I am telling you everyone does it including those who work there. Cheating, corruption is a CULTURE now.

You didn't show any rights Algerian men lack, Yes, Algerian men because it is Algerian men who are whining in the streets by the majority, not women.

They should start serving themselves and start by changing themselves. Even Mohamed said it centuries before me.

[b]So still, you haven't shown any of these rights they lack, which is my point.[/b]

@Miram ok maybe i dont know them beater than you do !!!
and based what your telling me . what do you think thy really want ?

and about
[quote]Do you think university can kick out everyone? I am telling you everyone does it including those who work there. Cheating, corruption is a CULTURE now.[/quote]

thy should !!! other wise its bad for all !!!
if a have a box of onions and there is 50% of them are rotten ? all kick them all.
or leave your job so that know one ask,s you why haven't you done something

@anas0 Then there will be no one in there anymore. I think the same applies to protesters, most are rotten onions pointing fingers elsewhere.

But unlike the other situation, this one is leading to war and giving opportunities for extremists and foreign forces to carry out their plans to destabilize yet another country.

An unjust person isn't going to remunerate their flaws on facebook, and youtube, and the protests, while pretending they are facing injustice.

They want shortcuts, they want to get rich overnight. Protesting is nothing more than "I wish I was that person who stole [b]so much[/b], they stole[b] more than I did![/b]! I should've gotten that much money without doing anything!!" 🤷‍♀️

@Miram sorry for the late replay !!
electricity just came back after 3 hours

so lets not protest and just do nothing
yes its an opportunities for extremists to take control over country's like in this shape, but also , country's like Egypt where the government is the one who is killing people and saying " its, the extremists fault "

@anas0 Right,

Which has nothing to do with Algeria. I lost 25 people to Islamists in the dark decade Twenty five people, do you understand the heaviness of that number?

And I had to let it go,not out of choice. I can and could've hunted the rest of them. It wasn't me who voted for the current government. It was none of my family.

The protesters and their families voted for current regime, and voted to give a political pardon to the Islamic militants.

And I was OBLIGED to let it go, and now again they want to change the regime and start another war. My sacrifice and the sacrifice of more than 7000 people was for nothing.

Do you think I am obliged now to sympathize with your electric shutdowns?

You get to be kidding me.

In the next war, I won't be on the side of the same people who betrayed me and now are whining. I will be with the military 🙃

@Miram we all lost people to both Islamic and non Islamic pretenders , if the people voted for the current government 20 years ago, that doesnt mean the today generation is ok with it !!!

beside the military that you will be with was the same military that give a political pardon to the Islamic militants.

so if your beef is with the Islamic militants , thin its with military who was back thin and also did nothing !!!

a million Algerian died from France government , and now you want them to just forget about it and let there government give France what thy should have , of gold and other nature stuff ?

@anas0 20 years ago? It is the same people. It was wrong then and it was wrong now. Corrupted people voting for corrupted leaders. Corrupted people whining about corrupted leaders.

It wasn't the army that gave the pardon. It was the politicians and the majority voting "yes".

The military did enough for me. It wasn't people who paid for my medical treatments after the crisis.

I come from five generations of war warriors. Both my grand parents and grand mothers served against the French, none of them and none of the elders I know disagree with me . It is not the generation today that fought the French to borrow your argument.

A million and a half actually, none died for whining or theirs.

@anas0 [quote]we all lost people to both Islamic and non Islamic pretenders[/quote]

Not really. You are too reckless and easily manipulated.

@Miram thin why did the military did nothing when the Corrupted politicians gave the pardon,
beside what your saying
[quote] It is not the generation today that fought the French to borrow your argument[/quote]
means know-one eve you should say anything to anyone , and anyone should anything , because we didnt fight for it !!

and the military was defending the same Corrupted politicians that gave the pardon, last months ,
so back thin thy were wrong and, now thy are right ?

also the military get there funding from tax , unless thy are like the Egyptian military

so i think yeah .. its not up to the military !!

@anas0 The majority of [b]people [/b]voted for the pardon, what part of that you don't understand? It wasn't a top down decision. The same people whining voted for it, the same political parties which gullible people think are the opposition.

The military are the only ones keeping the country from crumbling. If they were defending politicians, demonstrators would be butchered within a day!


Nothing you said even slightly applies to Algeria. Maybe you need to stick to your own circumstances and NOT speak for everyone.

@Miram
[quote]Maybe you need to stick to your own circumstances and NOT speak for everyone.[/quote]
maybe i should , but everyone have the right to believe in something

the army in Egypt said the same thing you said , and took control over the country , and everyone in the world think that the Algerian and sundaes military are going in the same path !!! thats not what i think its what to world think

[quote]Not really. You are too reckless and easily manipulated[/quote]
how is that, ? i look to facts and act based on them. i dont judge based on my whats in my hart !!!
its not like i judge Christians or Muslims because i hat or love them , but based on the facts

also who do you know your not been manipulated by thim and just been told what you want to hear by them ?

@anas0

Nothing you said reflects looking at facts. Your answers about the demonstrations showed ignorance, your talk about the history showed ignorance, your need to attribute your own biases to the rest of the world shows ignorance.

There are also plenty of projections, I am not the one who openly admits to relying on the rest of the world in shaping my beliefs.

Yes, you are reckless and easily manipulated, hence, why you couldn't respond to my points and projected your emotionally charged take.

Next time when you claim there is injustice or rights being taken away, make sure to demonstrate it. These kind of claims are a part of the chaos leasing countries into nonredeemable deserted war zones.

You are sold ideals and concepts in exchange of foreign economic dominance while we tear each other to pieces, thinking you'd do a better job taking charge, only to devolve into murders and rapists long before you do take the wheel.

No, it is not like Egypt, it is like Algeria in the late eighties and all throughout the nineties. And me, as one of the victims of people like them and as an activist in two related organizations, I will not tolerate watching the same happen again because they cannot rise above it and tend to fixing their own vices, including greed and stupidity.

And if they win at driving the country into war again, it is their fault not the army. The army is awesome! There isn't single army in the world with the extensive experience of ours in fighting terrorism.

I will not be paying the price again though, for other people's beliefs, for yours or for anyone else's like in the past..democracy. You should die for that. The collateral damage should NOt happen but you all are corrupted and don't mind it. You give 0 fucks for that.

Lot of people, including you, can only understand the ramifications of war when they are the ones watching their families butchered before their sight.

That's how I know when you say you lost people, you're talking out of your ass.