My charity gives thousands a month in food donations to the homeless, yet go onto the internet and I'll find someone turning that into something bad
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Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
The only questionable practices I see in most none profit, which BTW is commonly known in the business world as the none profit sector, is the pay scale of the CEOs and founders.
The Executive Director/CEOs make $120,000 to $250,000 per year.
That comes out of the donations first.
Seems a bit excessive for something claiming to be charity.
The Executive Director/CEOs make $120,000 to $250,000 per year.
That comes out of the donations first.
Seems a bit excessive for something claiming to be charity.
Therealsteve · 31-35, M
@Dainbramadge I don't see the issue. It is still a charity. If you are at a CEO level, then you will be investing a good amount of your time into that organisation, so much time that you won't be doing another paid job needed to support your family. That income will be taxed like any other income.
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@Therealsteve Right. But it just seems a little tainted that a charity would take the first $250,000 out of "donations" to pay a guy to run the organization.
It seems a bit excessive to pay someone a competitive wage drawn from a for profit spectrum to do a none profit job.
I'm not demonizing anything or anyone it just seems a little off.
It seems a bit excessive to pay someone a competitive wage drawn from a for profit spectrum to do a none profit job.
I'm not demonizing anything or anyone it just seems a little off.
Therealsteve · 31-35, M
@Dainbramadge I don't think so.
1. That charity would no doubt be providing at least tens of millions in charity, and partly due to them.
2. The Level 4 and above qualifications the CEO has would have cost them at least tens of thousands. Which they will need to be paying off, ontop of the cost of their mortgage etc, using that wage.
3. Charities are private entities, and CEO material people will go to whichever entity pays them more, which could be charity, national, for-profit or community, so they need to raise salaries to compete.
4. Paying employees higher motivates them to work harder.
I'm not sure why you are putting donations in the quote marks.
1. That charity would no doubt be providing at least tens of millions in charity, and partly due to them.
2. The Level 4 and above qualifications the CEO has would have cost them at least tens of thousands. Which they will need to be paying off, ontop of the cost of their mortgage etc, using that wage.
3. Charities are private entities, and CEO material people will go to whichever entity pays them more, which could be charity, national, for-profit or community, so they need to raise salaries to compete.
4. Paying employees higher motivates them to work harder.
I'm not sure why you are putting donations in the quote marks.
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@Therealsteve "." because that is the part I have trouble excepting.
Ok. to simplify and maybe I should have done this earlier.
If a none profit's only source of income is from "Donations" not a product or service that is paid for by consumers and there fore yields a profit, then I think it feels a bit off to pay your CEO such a prime wage.
It would seem like the help would be closer to modest salary rather than a competitive one.
I do have to say I feel like I am not saying something right that is causing you to have these questions.
Not complaining just a thought.
Ok. to simplify and maybe I should have done this earlier.
If a none profit's only source of income is from "Donations" not a product or service that is paid for by consumers and there fore yields a profit, then I think it feels a bit off to pay your CEO such a prime wage.
It would seem like the help would be closer to modest salary rather than a competitive one.
I do have to say I feel like I am not saying something right that is causing you to have these questions.
Not complaining just a thought.
Therealsteve · 31-35, M
@Dainbramadge None of what I said was a question. There was not a single question mark there. I have no questions. I have ran both private and charitable organisations. It is very clear as to why CEOs of charities have a high wage and I have explained why. You don't seem to understand, or object to the idea on emotional grounds, and are trying to flip this conversation on its head into me somehow questioning what you said and not understanding.
I notice the wording of your initial comment now. You wanted to know why a CEO for a charity is paid that much, but you wouldn't directly frame it as a question. This seems to be because -as you have just demonstrated now - you never planned on accepting the answers I gave.
You object to the idea regardless of answer given, and want to try to frame it as if it is actually me having things explained by you, because of course the idea of CEOs getting that much is wrong, therefore I'm wrong, and so I've naturally had to come to you for help understanding.
Nice try.
I notice the wording of your initial comment now. You wanted to know why a CEO for a charity is paid that much, but you wouldn't directly frame it as a question. This seems to be because -as you have just demonstrated now - you never planned on accepting the answers I gave.
You object to the idea regardless of answer given, and want to try to frame it as if it is actually me having things explained by you, because of course the idea of CEOs getting that much is wrong, therefore I'm wrong, and so I've naturally had to come to you for help understanding.
Nice try.
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@Therealsteve Dang Steve. Get your knickers out of a knot.
Why are you getting so tense on this subject?
Also, I love how you are trying to dissect what and how I word stuff to find deeper meaning.
I'll make it easy for you. Because that is what it seems like you so desperately need me to do for you. LOL See what I did there? It's called a joke so don't get all excited.
I say exactly what I mean. Some times a bit convoluted but mostly just straight shooting.
So any way, all joking aside for a sec., I just realized why you are so invested in damning me for questioning a "none profits" financial practices. When you said, wrote, "MY" charity, I didn't realize you were on the inside of the working of the said charity I thought it meant a charity you donate to.
I never demonized the CEOs or them that pay them. All I tried to make out was that it seems a bit off to me.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second.
How could i have better made that statement?
Why are you getting so tense on this subject?
Also, I love how you are trying to dissect what and how I word stuff to find deeper meaning.
I'll make it easy for you. Because that is what it seems like you so desperately need me to do for you. LOL See what I did there? It's called a joke so don't get all excited.
I say exactly what I mean. Some times a bit convoluted but mostly just straight shooting.
So any way, all joking aside for a sec., I just realized why you are so invested in damning me for questioning a "none profits" financial practices. When you said, wrote, "MY" charity, I didn't realize you were on the inside of the working of the said charity I thought it meant a charity you donate to.
I never demonized the CEOs or them that pay them. All I tried to make out was that it seems a bit off to me.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second.
How could i have better made that statement?
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Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
@Therealsteve Sorry that it took so long for me to respond. I didn't get notified that this was here. Sorry. I was looking for it too.
I must say i was so happy to bump back into this and see this awesome response.
You do not disappoint in the least.
So it looks like you're confused on whether I asked a question in my first comment.
This baffles me. Coming from a self proclaimed educational psychologist with a certification in English teaching. I thought for sure with that impressive background you would have known the answer to that right off.
In, at least the English language, writing, when someone has a question they signal this with a symbol (?). I thought that was common knowledge. Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused by assuming everyone knew this.
My bad.
Also, I guess I should apologize for my sad attempt to lighten the mood a little by making a joke and relaxing what seemed to be tensions brewing.
I guess I am not as involved in attempting to show you I am smarter than you as you seem to be.
I shall attempt to inject myself more personally into this and maybe get as butt hurt as you are and then maybe I will stop feeling like everything is joke worthy.
So I may be over stepping my bounds a bit with this next part but it's strictly my personal and uneducated observation and opinion.
You spent someones hard earned money on an educational psychologist certificate or degree of some fashion. Maybe you just tried real hard and got a complimentary degree. I don't know.
But yet with that background, you let a simple statement about non profit practices get you so mad that you are calling me stupid for questioning the practice.
Also you have a certificate in English teaching, not sure if your finger slipped with the -t's thing yet you some how didn't know that a question is always followed by a (?).
That's the observation part.
Now the uneducated opinion part.
You got robbed on both deals.
You may want to secure the services of a lawyer and see about getting some, or all, of that money back.
I mean those both seem to be simple pitfalls, the (?) and the butt hurt, that a properly educated person wouldn't have cast their self so willingly into with such conviction as you did.
I have more to share but I think I may be getting a bit long winded so I will end it here.
I must say i was so happy to bump back into this and see this awesome response.
You do not disappoint in the least.
So it looks like you're confused on whether I asked a question in my first comment.
This baffles me. Coming from a self proclaimed educational psychologist with a certification in English teaching. I thought for sure with that impressive background you would have known the answer to that right off.
In, at least the English language, writing, when someone has a question they signal this with a symbol (?). I thought that was common knowledge. Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused by assuming everyone knew this.
My bad.
Also, I guess I should apologize for my sad attempt to lighten the mood a little by making a joke and relaxing what seemed to be tensions brewing.
I guess I am not as involved in attempting to show you I am smarter than you as you seem to be.
I shall attempt to inject myself more personally into this and maybe get as butt hurt as you are and then maybe I will stop feeling like everything is joke worthy.
So I may be over stepping my bounds a bit with this next part but it's strictly my personal and uneducated observation and opinion.
You spent someones hard earned money on an educational psychologist certificate or degree of some fashion. Maybe you just tried real hard and got a complimentary degree. I don't know.
But yet with that background, you let a simple statement about non profit practices get you so mad that you are calling me stupid for questioning the practice.
Also you have a certificate in English teaching, not sure if your finger slipped with the -t's thing yet you some how didn't know that a question is always followed by a (?).
That's the observation part.
Now the uneducated opinion part.
You got robbed on both deals.
You may want to secure the services of a lawyer and see about getting some, or all, of that money back.
I mean those both seem to be simple pitfalls, the (?) and the butt hurt, that a properly educated person wouldn't have cast their self so willingly into with such conviction as you did.
I have more to share but I think I may be getting a bit long winded so I will end it here.