We can now thank prosperity for bringing us - among other things - two million cars, millions of glaring, grey-black electronic entertainment boxes,

@Rudboy41 I agree that both capitalism and communism are bad. The supposed rivalry between Marxist-inspired movements and capitalism has always been an illusion. Marxism, Communism and liberalism have been and continue to be exploited by the forces of international capitalism to further their global agenda, despite their surface disagreements. The ultimate goal of capitalism is to create a worldwide collectivist society of consumers, and Marxism is merely one means of attaining this.

@TommyDeZinna yes thats well said, the underlying driving force, dna of the beast, on either side is actially the same: self-interest. Which is blatant in a capitalist society, but its also there in a communist one, because there are players who are more "equal" than other equal players. A collectivist society votes with their collect interests and its not hard to see how well that works for a game of monopoly when it come to owing means of production and resources.

Without debating for hours, describing the many tentacles and sweat glands of the beast of marxism, capitalism etc it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on a suggestion of what an equitable or fair society might look like,

sadly i think we all have to go to bed every night knowing that life is not fair and never will be, for that to happen we would have to remove self-interest from man's heart, i.e greed completely. And that is impossible.

@Rudboy41 im not sure why you think i dont understand communism and capitalism, but ok👍

@NOS4R2 apologies i didnt mean that at all, i meant easy to understand in general, not for you personally, sotry just used the opportunity to express that story, not as remedy bit as illustration and your post was the trigger or step,i am not doubting your grasp of economic theory or social policy at all

@Rudboy41 thats a very polite apology, thank you.