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Love the U.K. Of course, It has it's problems, post-empire malaise, post-industrial revolution grittiness. British working-class people have a kind of sullen resentment about them. A hold-over from the class system I suppose.
But despite all that the U.K. is a more civilized, less violent place than the U.S. They take better care of their children and seniors than in the U.S. And there is much beauty in the cities and small towns. Even the worn-down post-industrial cities and water fronts have a somber beauty. Much of the countryside is largely unspoiled, less developed and commercialized than in the U.S.
Outside of the U.S. the U.K. and Ireland are closet to my heart.
But despite all that the U.K. is a more civilized, less violent place than the U.S. They take better care of their children and seniors than in the U.S. And there is much beauty in the cities and small towns. Even the worn-down post-industrial cities and water fronts have a somber beauty. Much of the countryside is largely unspoiled, less developed and commercialized than in the U.S.
Outside of the U.S. the U.K. and Ireland are closet to my heart.
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@badminton Nah mate, the working-class here love our tyranical reptilian royal overlords.
Look at our national collection of Idiot's, famed pizza-lover and former-sweater Prince Andrew. National treasure Boris Johnson telling everyone in covid that there loved ones were going to die, before quoting something unintelligible in pig-latin. Liz Truss telling everyone she wanted to sell pork to China, coming to office; within 40 days the Queen died, the economy flat-lined, and she was out of a job, and a man that flys by helicopter to beat the traffic got her job. And our beloved King-Prince Charlie the 3rd; famed for his growling, sausage fingers, hated of pens and romantic desire to reincarnate as a tampon.
The class system is a hierarchy that worked for the wealthy. It hold's people back. The perception in the job market is the common man works all his life, the middle class manage and keep the workers under heel and the upper class are the lords of the manor; their only fear in life is the proles rising up; or a groundskeeper or upper-middle class businessman's son knocking up their daughter and marrying to avoid a scandal.
I would agree with you, less-violent, less guns, a free at access NHS which does need improvement but is still beloved, we need a better mental-health system as its been run down by 14 year of tory's mucking about with it, a benefits system that acts as a safety-net preventing crimes driven by poverty and desperation, a police force that polices by consent of the people. Perhaps the fact the working class do not subscribe to the fairy-tale, trickle down economic, winner and loser mentality that rarely produces a winner from poverty; the worker doesn't get the breaks in life, but there isn't an expectation of him to be a self-made millionaire
Ed: all this said with tongue in cheek, Monty Python, good natured, ribbing ;)
Look at our national collection of Idiot's, famed pizza-lover and former-sweater Prince Andrew. National treasure Boris Johnson telling everyone in covid that there loved ones were going to die, before quoting something unintelligible in pig-latin. Liz Truss telling everyone she wanted to sell pork to China, coming to office; within 40 days the Queen died, the economy flat-lined, and she was out of a job, and a man that flys by helicopter to beat the traffic got her job. And our beloved King-Prince Charlie the 3rd; famed for his growling, sausage fingers, hated of pens and romantic desire to reincarnate as a tampon.
The class system is a hierarchy that worked for the wealthy. It hold's people back. The perception in the job market is the common man works all his life, the middle class manage and keep the workers under heel and the upper class are the lords of the manor; their only fear in life is the proles rising up; or a groundskeeper or upper-middle class businessman's son knocking up their daughter and marrying to avoid a scandal.
I would agree with you, less-violent, less guns, a free at access NHS which does need improvement but is still beloved, we need a better mental-health system as its been run down by 14 year of tory's mucking about with it, a benefits system that acts as a safety-net preventing crimes driven by poverty and desperation, a police force that polices by consent of the people. Perhaps the fact the working class do not subscribe to the fairy-tale, trickle down economic, winner and loser mentality that rarely produces a winner from poverty; the worker doesn't get the breaks in life, but there isn't an expectation of him to be a self-made millionaire
Ed: all this said with tongue in cheek, Monty Python, good natured, ribbing ;)
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Most working-class people in the U.S. do not see themselves as an oppressed proletariat. Think see themselves as potential future millionaires, just waiting for their ship to come in. So they don't invest in the idea of improving the standard of living for the working-class. That's why they are often conservative politically. They feel someday they will join the wealthy class. Goodbye peasants!
winner and loser mentality that rarely produces a winner from poverty;
Most working-class people in the U.S. do not see themselves as an oppressed proletariat. Think see themselves as potential future millionaires, just waiting for their ship to come in. So they don't invest in the idea of improving the standard of living for the working-class. That's why they are often conservative politically. They feel someday they will join the wealthy class. Goodbye peasants!
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@badminton Hmm optimistic, but statistically improbable! Sure there are bound to be a few that claw their way up from the bottom, just unlikely to be them; that's why the stories are in the news/media! If it was common it wouldn't get much attention (JD Vance?) Most won't get much further than a little better than paycheck to paycheck. At least a realistic goal of living-comfortably, but having a net below sounds realistic
I think the same people would view investing their life savings all at once into lottery tickets as foolish - but same logic. I guess on their death beds they might realise the big lie. Then again a lot of brits worship the royals like gods walking among mortals! 🤣
I think the same people would view investing their life savings all at once into lottery tickets as foolish - but same logic. I guess on their death beds they might realise the big lie. Then again a lot of brits worship the royals like gods walking among mortals! 🤣