Why Do People Still Believe the Myth of the Gender Wage Gap?

@NerdyPotato great reply

@Strictmichael75 Listing jobs that only exist in rarified 1% of the overall job market while ignoring the 90% of actual laborious jobs is funny but actually...not.

Most men, (or for that matter even fewer women) do not even get within a country mile of affording the training, much less, being selected as meeting the academic requirements for entry into those areas. There's an oversupply of qualified entries, no doubt.

However those areas have a well structured shortage creation in those job openings. One of the minor flaws in the capitalist ways of doing things imo.

Not everyone can be a college dean. Except at Harvard. I hear over there you can be a total nincompoop and maintain tenure.

@SteelHands What has that got to do with gender gap in salary
Get your head out of the sand

@Strictmichael75 You deserve to be ignored.

@SteelHands like you
What about your missing 9%
I never made any reference to level of education
I know the reality

@Strictmichael75 9% are worthless politicians, welfare recipients, and criminals.

Now that I've educated you slightly better.

Let me alone and I'll do the same for you.

Don't at whatever peril of embarrassment you decide to risk mssrs " I know reality. "

@NerdyPotato So a woman can be doctor, pilot or lawyer but will choose a lower salary than her male colleague?

Really?

No-one chooses his or her sex; but the sex of the individual should be irrelevant. A woman doctor, pilot or lawyer is entitled to the same salary as the man doctor, pilot or lawyer for the same work!

@ArishMell I thought the sarcasm would be clear, but thank you for adding some clarity.

@ArishMell Yeah... and, as a man, when was the last time you were asked in a job interview if you were planning to start a family any time soon???

@HootyTheNightOwl I think you have illustrated my point.

Due, genuine allowances are permissible for the work itself. Otherwise, inequality of employment including pay simply on grounds of sex, sexual orientation, race, religion or disability is plain wrong.

In many countries it is more than morally wrong. It is, rightly, also against employment law.

@ArishMell Sure... it's against employment law - yet, children as young as 16 or 17 are bullied at work, in the name of "training" - they will put up with it because they're too fresh out of school to understand that calling someone a "tramp" under the guise of training them is constructive dismissal... and, even if they do know it, where do they go to report it??? Especially when the only contact they have with their training provider is the one that is bullying them.

But, we are a world built on equality - where short people aren't expected to juggle two arms full of merchandise and a plastic stool in order to hang stock that they can't reasonably reach from the ground.

@HootyTheNightOwl Oh, we can make all the laws we need but that won't change ignorance and cruelty that are ingrained attitudes, overnight.

Short? I am short too: I'd have exactly the same difficulties... only I would deal with the bags separately, not struggle with both at once!

@ArishMell Education around employment rights and laws might help to make sure that people are given the information they need when they go to work before they leave school, though - but that means that you can't teach careers in the school library because the teacher would be required to actually teach something that might be useful.

They can't... They either juggle both or they get kicked off their course. This created much debate in one shop because the manager was happy for taller people to do what shorter people couldn't - but the assessors stuck to their guns and insisted that shorter people were treated exactly the same.

@HootyTheNightOwl Interesting thought: schools teaching at least the basics of employee / employer law, rights and responsibilities. Along with other grown-up matters like basic finance.

It might even be more important than careers "advice" that anyway can only be very generic, and may be influenced by individual teachers' knowledge and even prejudices. After all, most teachers are people who have never left school!

So it could work, though I'm not sure how.

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That shop, or group of assessors, may have been an anomaly. I have never heard of any problems around people's heights, elsewhere. Just as well because I am short!

The basic requirement under UK health-and-safety law is that appropriate equipment is provided to help people do their work safely and properly. This may be selected following a formal risk-assessment; and certainly can include step-stools and short ladders for access to shelves.

Though it's not unknown for managers frightened of responsibilities put on them, to impose rather absurd interpretations of the regulations. Like those assessors who tried to make height an "equality" matter instead of just saying, provide step-ladders. One place I worked had equipment-frames that needed such frequent access, that they were fitted permanently with wooden steps suspended from runners on steel tracks.

Or nervous managers set local rules that mean well but are not thought through. For example, I once saw a store-keepers standing on top of a full-size shipping container (roof about 8 feet above ground) to hook crane slings into its lifting-points. He was wearing a controlled-break type fall-arrest harness, but he could clip it only into the nearest hooking cube, by his feet as he stood at each corner of the container. Errr..... Oh, it's all right. He had his safety-boots and hard hat on.