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Things to ponder...

1776 – Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and I believe, inadvertently used the word “men” instead of "people" when writing “..all men are created equal..”

This error which would deny women the right to vote (and other things), was I think, simply a sign of the times… women were not equals in the eyes of society and in general, men. He simply hadn’t a thought of what that mistake might later mean.

1920 – It took 144 years for women to get the right to vote and only then after a long battle.

1972 – It took nearly 200 for the Equal Right Amendment (giving essentially, women the same right men had across the board) to pass Congress… again, after a long, long battle. However, the old white men in Congress snuck in a clause that would delay it becoming an Actual Amendment without most states ratifying it. They also put a 7-year time limit on those ratifications.

By the time enough states ratified the Amendment, the 7-year deadline had passed, and Congress has never righted that wrong. In fact, 14 states still have not ratified it and I’m sure you know what party controls those states.

The old white guys won again. Women were still not, in the eyes of the Constitution and legally plus functionally, equal to men.

1973 – Shortly after that. the same group of old white men had arranged for the Equal Rights Amendment to fail, the SCOTUS threw them a curve – they gave women the right to bodily autonomy by making abortion legal across the land.

2022 – Then in just 43 short years, after having stacked the deck and SCOTUS with right leaning justices, the old white guys (mainly from red states), having led a no holds war against a woman’s right to bodily autonomy, got what they wanted. The right-wing justices took that right away from them.

Seems to me the women (and all real men) in our nation should by now have gotten the message. Have you?

In conclusion, the midterms are coming up… think about the rights you have (men think about your mother, sister, daughter, spouse) been denied.

Stand up and be counted.
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 31-35, M
So you value autonomy and you think the violation is unique to women. Tell me when the crack legalization post is coming or how about the right of teenagers to choose suicide
Ontheroad · M
@Jackaloftheazuresand I didn't address any of those things, I simply addressed this issue that impacts half the people in our nation.

If you want to address other issues you find important, be my guest.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 31-35, M
@Ontheroad
think about the rights you have (men think about your mother, sister, daughter, spouse) been denied

And I did what you told me to do

I want to know if you actually care or if you're just performing. I mean you do realize that there are women who think abortion is stupid too, don't you? So tell me how you feel about the fact that there isn't a readily accessible market to hire somebody to kill me
While he was certainly "wrong "by todays standards, I doubt it was inadvertant. Women were held to be property by religion and at best second class citizens (and still are) Even now the idea that a woman has to be "the same as"to be equal is a spurious argument to muddy the waters of equality, which is a matter of rights. Not metrics.😷
bookerdana · M
All the SCOTUS members said they would maintain stare decisis,the lot of them
Mcmarie90 · 31-35, F
Thomas Jefferson used the wrong word, therefore we need to vote blue?

Your framing of the intent of the Declaration of Independence is obtuse. That is one of the most important documents in the history of the world and your straw manning it, and then using that to justify everything after.

People back then didn't have the values we have now. Your first (and most critical) mistake is assuming the values we have now as superior in every way to the values then, and then judging past generations for it.
hunkalove · 70-79, M
No one is created equal to anyone else. That would make sense if it said everyone should be equal in the eyes of the government. And that is probably what was meant. But to say everyone is created equal just sounds like propaganda and something a politician would say.
Ontheroad · M
@hunkalove so, you are okay with how women have been denied the rights men have? Yes or no.
hunkalove · 70-79, M
@Ontheroad Did I say that? I was very careful to say "everyone" not men.
Ontheroad · M
@hunkalove you shared an opinion and in doing so, did not address the issue with a clear answer. All I was doing was asking you to clarify your stand. Your choice to clarify or not.

 
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