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Would you choose to live in a Tiny House?




I mean this kind of tiny house, the ones with wheels, mobile or permanent. I see many videos about them and as years pass, they get better at making them seem cozy and lovely. Personally though, I could if I needed to but don't know if I want to....there's so much one has to consider:

Reduced space

Location

Money saved after the building/buying

Freedom to move it anywhere if mobile

Security

Comfort

Minimalistic lifestyle

Pets



Could you and would you live in one ? Pros and cons?
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ninalanyon · 61-69, T
I've considered buying one as a second home. But when you add the costs of renting or buying a plot to stand it on, hooking it up to water, sewerage, electricity it ends up being cheaper in the long run to buy a small flat. You have to consider that depreciation on these things is quite rapid whereas a a conventional house generally appreciates in value.

At least that's how it looks to me here in Norway.
@ninalanyon Those are very, very valid points to consider when deciding which among the two would be better. If one already has a plot of land, then the cost is reduced because you don't have to pay rent and you are assured no landlord will change their mind later. A small flat may be cheaper yes...only down side to it is having neighbors you can't stand lol. True about depreciation, one moment they are in demand and next, a sudden fall and you find your property has lost so much value that you can't recuperate your investment.

Ahhh. Norway...such a beautiful country you have ! Thanks, Nina☺
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@LilMissAnonyMOUSE I agree about the neighbours. My wife and I lived in a flat for two years when we moved to Norway and vowed never to live in a home that had walls in common with another ever again. The flat itself was great but the neighbours below were a single mother and her teenage daughter. On occasion the mother and her boyfriend would argue then all three of them would retire to different rooms and turn on radio, television, record player at ear splitting volumes and continue yelling at each other. Barely tolerable in the winter with all the windows closed, absolute hell in the summer when all the windows were open.

Yes it is a beautiful country! I'm very pleased that I live near the edge of a village and can be walking in the woods or beside the fjord within ten minutes walk from home.
@ninalanyon Oh my goodness, I absolutely abhor having to live door to door to people who do not have the decency to respect their neighbor's space. I have lived in flats too and have experienced something similar.

It's gorgeous. Wow...that would be an ideal place for me to want to have my home. You are so lucky!!!☺
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@LilMissAnonyMOUSE Yes I am lucky, quite literally. I wasn't even looking for a job in Norway when I sent my CV to an employment agency in Scotland. But when the opportunity arose it didn't take much thinking to accept it. Since then I tell everyone that if an opportunity arises for a change in your life, especially one that really isn't risky, then just take it. In this case it was a move from one country with a well developed social security system to another similar one on a two year contract with subsidized housing (the flat!). We had no children and no relatives living nearby. The worst that could have happened was ending the contract after two years and returning to the UK to look for a job.
@ninalanyon That's amazing!I would jump at the chance too if not for my mom who I would miss dreadfully...or I could take her with me, what the heck lol😄 Did you have a hard time adjusting to the language, but then they do speak English too right?I love the Scandinavian system, of employment and education...I don't know about their health system though. Here in Spain it's all free and medication is half p[aid by the government but that's because it's taken out of our salaries which is why we have low salaries here but well, you can have any medical intervention and urgent care for free...except dental work, of course. I hope you can stay there forever if you truly love it and have settled down already to a nice life☺
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@LilMissAnonyMOUSE
Language was problem but not in the way I expected. As you say English is widely spoken. It wasn't quite as common in 1986 as it is now but it was still possible to go into a supermarket and ask where to find something and be told in useable English where it was. But the department I worked for had no Norwegian customers. It was all export and it was clearly more valuable for my colleagues to improve their English than it was for me to learn Norwegian. That couple with me being one of the world's worst language students meant that it took me five years to learn it despite the state offering a couple of hundred hours of free tuition (they don't do that now, you have to pay).

The health system is very similar in some ways to the UK (if that helps). The principle difference is that we have to pay a contribution when we visit a doctor, get an X-ray, etc. For a single unmarried person it costs about 20 EUR to visit your GP. But there is a limit of about 300 EUR a year that is automatically applied. After that everything is free for the rest of the year and if you paid more before the system caught up then it gets automatically reimbursed via the tax system.. Actual hospital stays and inpatient procedures are of course totally free. I had a mole removed some years ago and because it was both an outpatient procedure and regarded as cosmetic I had to pay, I think it was about 30 EUR. It was on my arm and it annoyed me that some clothes got caught on it :-) Dentistry is not included but seems to be reasonably priced compared to some other countries such as the US.

Medication here seems to be at market rates except that it is included in the 300 EUR annual limit I mentioned.

I think the general principles of health, social security, and education are similar to Spain although I'm sure lots of details differ. All education in Norway is free and there is a state loan company that will loan money for living expenses. If you graduate I think they convert half of it into a grant so you don't have to pay it all back which is supposed to give people an incentive to study hard! they will even pay a grant to study abroad but only for approved courses at approved institutions.

I've been a permanent resident for over thirty years now and have no intention of returning to the UK. I don't know what Spain is like but one of the reasons I prefer Norway over my birth country is that almost everything is simpler here. Things just work and when something does go wrong you can usually speak directly to someone who can make it right.

As an example when No. 3 son was about six months old a letter arrived addressed to him from the fylkeskommune (equivalent to a county in the UK, an administrative region). It was quite formal and directed him to leave the country within a month as he did not have a residence permit! He was actually born in the UK and when my wife flew back here with him when he was three weeks old we forgot to register him with the population register. But of course his name ended up in the health system as my wife took him for check ups and such. Why we forgot to register him is a mystery, we did it for the other two in exactly the same circumstances.

The letter was signed by the director of whatever department it was and there was a telephone number. So I called fully expecting to speak to some under-assistant. But the motherly voice that answered the telephone was the director. I was still unsure what the actual problem was having completely forgotten we needed to register him. I explained that we had received this letter and pointed out the No. 3 son was unable to deal with the problem himself because he we still at the thumb-sucking goo goo stage. She immediately said something along the lines of "Oh, we didn't know that." and pointed out that we should have registered him. I apologized for forgetting and asked what i should do next. She just said don't worry, I'll fix it, you don't need to do anything.
@ninalanyon Oh thank goodness you spoke to a director who was kind, very professional and who wasn't hell bent on complicating things for your family!

I perfectly understand why you wouldn't want to go back, but remain in Norway. Their health system is fair and a system that works for the people avoids political unrest thus allowing things to run smoothly because everyone is covered and content. I wish more countries would adopt the Norwegian way of living and government.

Times are changing, I just wish people would become more appreciative of the value and importance of peace instead of making money their God, like in some countries.Thanks, Nina, for your wonderful input. It's a pleasure discussing things with you🤗
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@LilMissAnonyMOUSE This is what I like about SW, it's possible to have conversations here.

What are relations between residents and the authorities like in Spain. If I read the tabloid press in the UK (Daily Mail and the like) it's easy to get the impression that it's more than a bit complicated and in places corrupt (especially with regard to land ownership, building regulations, etc.). What's it really like?
@ninalanyon I agree. If we look hard enough, past the political bickering, religious,racial and all forms of discrimination , fortunately we could find forums and posts where members have a nice time discussing things that help us learn more about each other and the world.

Spain has 2 dominant political parties, as well as others but they are not as powerful. The Socialist who define themselves as left-wing, socio-democrats and then there is the right-wing conservative and Christian democratic political party. The fierce battle between the two parties is leaving the Spanish people fed up with all politicians. Spain is a progressive country; we have many products sold around the world and have topped tourism in Europe for a decades now. As I have mentioned, we have a good health system and education system but despite all the money coming in, every government is stingy when it comes to paying the citizens their salary. I mean, it's not so bad, we get by, but it should be higher. The buying power of the people directly affects the stability of the country's economy but these politicians spend the money elsewhere and not on the people. Both parties have had accusations of having a few corrupt members and meanwhile, a far-right(extreme?) political party is gaining momentum. It's the sign of the times, many countries in Europe have parties going full defensive mode but not just in Europe, in other countries around the world too. If it were up to me, I'd put all the trouble makers in a rocket and send them off to Mars where they could fight amongst themselves and leave the rest of us here to live in peace and harmony ☺

Currently in Spain, mobile homes and prefabricated houses are not allowed on rustic terrains /rural land, only on urban land and they charge a maximum fee of 1000 euros for a permit/license to build them. Only those involved in agriculture, forestry and farming are allowed to build housing in rural land and always in conjunction with the activity. Unlike in the US where one can buy a plot of rural land and settle their tiny house on it, Spain may take a while before they allow it so people are currently buying land close to towns, still considered urban and building prefabricated homes on them. Spain has a small population and a lot of available land, and the government is (supposedly) strict about who they sell them to...but as with all countries, the millionaires are often an exception🤷‍♀