The only mistake people make in life is when they thought they knew something…

…so tell me. Whey do people still rely on what they know? That’s the very definition of a mistake.

You might try to tell me it’s possible to know something and not be mistaken, but isn’t that what everyone who was mistaken believed?

Maybe that’s why in terms of law we say “innocent until proven guilty”, or perhaps in this instance I would say, “stupid until proven smart”.

If the script can even possibly flip, you’ll want to make sure it’s right side up.

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Misanthropic · 26-30, M

People rely on knowing things in order to survive.. like cooking, what amount of money you have available to spend, avoiding mistakes like walking into oncoming traffic.

You don't know if you'll die after drinking certain cleaning products but that doesn't mean you are going to do it. You know that if you put bread in a toaster you'll make toast you aren't going to say "actually I won't make toast because it might come out burnt or it might not be plugged in"

People make mistakes, it is healthy to acknowledge that all living things do and it is useful to learn from them so you don't keep making the same ones.

Reject · 31-35, M

@Misanthropic You make a habit of missing the point. There’s a difference between acknowledging what you know, and relying on what you know.

Misanthropic · 26-30, M

@Reject Okay so you know that you shouldn't eat undercooked chicken because you can get salmonella or e.coli, you can tell a chicken is cooked if it is white to brown and that it is undercooked if it peachy/pinky coloured or bleeds...

You are in a kitchen with no internet, cooking books or phone and there is a raw chicken you having for dinner so what do you do?

1. Not eat because you don't want to rely on your knowledge of cooking?

2. Rely on your knowledge of cooking to cook the chicken?

Reject · 31-35, M

@Misanthropic You acknowledge your knowledge of cooking to cook the chicken and eat.

Misanthropic · 26-30, M

@Reject No you don't you don't need to acknowledge your knowledge because you have already acknowledged the knowledge and that is why you know that knowledge in the first place. You rely on your knowledge because there is no other information present to guide you therefore you rely on your own knowledge.

Reject · 31-35, M

@Misanthropic You know this thing you do in every argument? You like to create a little bubble with boundaries. All of which you can prove your point in easily. All you said is correct, but I will say that’s not the only way someone relies on something.

If I understand with my limited perspective I must rely on something for the present moment, this does not mean I believe that is the only truth there is. It’s merely the only one I know. It is my failing and therefore I do not rely on that method to cook, as much as I acknowledge it as one way to do so.

Misanthropic · 26-30, M

@Reject

If I understand with my limited perspective I must rely on something for the present moment, this does not mean I believe that is the only truth there is. It’s merely the only one I know. It is my failing and therefore I do not rely on that method to cook, as much as I acknowledge it as one way to do so

This is irrelevant, yes there are many ways to cook a chicken (you can roast it, you can fry it, you can grill it etc). Ultimately you will choose a method from which you know given the information or knowledge you have available you then rely on that information to correctly cook the chicken.

You know this thing you do in every argument? You like to create a little bubble with boundaries. All of which you can prove your point in easily. All you said is correct, but I will say that’s not the only way someone relies on something

I'm being objective, there is more than one way I can interpret what you are saying but based on the way you have worded it being objective is the best way to make my point.

I'm not arguing with you to win, I just happen to disagree and feel to give my own input.

The short version is: Of course people need to rely on their knowledge and making mistakes is unavoidable... I think that you might be miswording your posts and think I can guess what you are saying but I am just working with what I am given.

Reject · 31-35, M

@Reject You’re being objective? I don’t believe that at all. What you do is called the straw man argument. It’s when you can’t attack someone’s point, so you have to make a bunch of your own to attack instead.

So go ahead, make as many straw men as you like, paint my face on them, and knock them down to your hearts content. Do this enough times and you might convince yourself I was one of them. After all, I’m simply being irrelevant to them, right? At least you understand that much.

This is all well and good, but I do feel sorry for you if that’s what you need to do to feel comfortable with your beliefs.

Misanthropic · 26-30, M

@Reject It's not really a strawman argument. You make a statement the statement being: If people didn't rely on their knowledge they wouldn't make mistakes so why do people rely on their knowledge? <--- Thats you and my response to this is...

To give you examples of when; why people rely on their knowledge and how that is important. You then proceed to say acknowledging your knowledge is different to relying on your knowledge and that I am missing the point which is nonsensical because you have to rely on knowledge to act on it because if you have no confidence or trust in what you know then you'll never do anything.. it'll always be left in someone elses hands (who does rely on their knowledge).

Your argument is weak to non existent. In a World where your argument is put into praticality for everyone then nobody does anything because they might make a mistake, nobody learns and so on. It just doesn't work.

Reject · 31-35, M

@Misanthropic Yes, that was me and what did you say in response? A multitude of straw men all facing your own definition of what it means to rely. You did this same thing before and it’s a bit tired now. At least for me anyway. Look, I get it. That’s how you see and you couldn’t care less to consider the way I see it. So there’s no going anywhere when you’re not even talking to me, just those straw men.

Misanthropic · 26-30, M

@Reject Actually I would like to understand how you see it... I am just taking words for the actual meanings they hold. How am I supposed to guess what made up definition you have for the word 'rely'?

What does rely mean to you?

Reject · 31-35, M

@Misanthropic If you are taking words for the actual meaning they hold, then I can be nothing but wrong to you with what I’m “making up” and you’ve proven my point quite nicely with that.