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Lushiro
Depends on your belief. Otherwise we will all discover the truth when we die.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
Whatever the "the truth" may be?

Lushiro
Depends on your truth, not mine. :) We all hold a truth we cling to dearly.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
I don't know what happens after death, but you, on the other hand, seem to believe that you DO know what happens after death... And I'm still planning on responding to your message soon.

Lushiro
My faith gives me confidence plus I have been checking into near death experiences for a while now...
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
They're called near death experiences for a reason.

Lushiro
I think they offer some glimpses, but they can't always be trusted its why I discern them from what's biblical or what's not.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
I'm not sure I follow. What, precisely, do you mean by "but they can't always be trusted its why I discern them from what's biblical or what's not"? I think I might know what you mean, but I don't want to jump to conclusions.

Lushiro
Some near death experiences I read do not make any type of sense especially considering...well they can be spiritually tampered (or manipulated for profit) with...so I test them to see whether or not it aligns with the bible, usually ones that involve Jesus and hell of course. I've learned some new things about hell that can be comforting. Most near deaths are on point, others...are questionable.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
That's what I was afraid you meant. You're accepting information that aligns with and confirms your beliefs while rejecting other information that doesn't align with or confirm your beliefs; you're not considering all the sides. And it sounds like you're saying that instances that don't align with your beliefs are basically fake. You're too certain that your beliefs are correct... While they certainly could be correct, they could also be wrong; it's a possibility worth considering.
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Lushiro
That is what faith is all about, but I do look at all sides, even if I disagree with them, doesn't mean I will shoot them all down. I will simply keep the faith until the time comes when all will be revealed, everything in the dark comes to light.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
That last sentence is pretty vague, so I don't know if you're saying that you're not certain that your beliefs are correct or if you're saying that you won't need faith eventually because your beliefs will be confirmed.

Lushiro
I don't have any doubts. I'll say that much but I will say that if I am wrong then all I've done is lived a different philosophy than most in the world lol. But mostly yes to the latter of your sentence, my faith will be rewarded in the end, hopefully, if not then it was fun while it lasted.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
What if the Islamic religion is correct? That would mean that both of us will go to hell, wouldn't it?

Lushiro
Not if it's the wrong religion. In death, we would discover that only one religion in this world was correct.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
On your first sentence, but there's no denying that it would if it IS the right religion... On your last sentence, or, if death is simply the end, we wouldn't discover anything at all. Also, there's really not much to fear if death does happen to be the end; you couldn't be sad about not existing because you wouldn't exist to be sad about it.

Lushiro
What makes you think death is the ultimate end? Do you really believe the body is just a shell of organs and automated atoms? Besides human beings cannot fathom nonexistence because there is something rather than nothing at all!
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
I'm not saying that death IS the ultimate end, hence the type of language I was using (if, would, could, happen to be); I'm just saying that it COULD be the ultimate end, just as the Christian afterlife COULD be the ultimate end, or the Islamic afterlife COULD be the ultimate end, or the afterlife in Judaism COULD be the ultimate end, or perhaps we're reincarnated after death; I simply don't know what's going to happen, and I don't claim to know. About the human body, I think we can't determine that we're anything more than that, but I also think that that doesn't mean that we AREN'T anything more than that; but, even though we don't know that we aren't anything more than that and even though we COULD have souls, I don't think we should assume that we have souls; we could be right to believe we have souls... or we could be wrong; I think the most logical stance is to not assume either that we do or that we don't have souls. And our not being able to fathom nonexistence doesn't say much of anything.

Lushiro
I suppose it's kinda pointless trying to discuss the unknown hence why it's unknown as it hasn't been revealed to us, overall. I will do my best to live accordingly to my faith until the end and I hope you do the same, our entire lives is based on faiths and mysteries. But one thing, if you didn't have a soul...well you wouldn't be who you are personally, the soul is your will, mind, emotions, and personality. Without it, your body is just a zombie on auto-pilot. Without your soul you have no means of interacting with the physical world through your body. The soul is the embodiment of every person. The soul is what lives, the body is simply the vessel. Your soul is your spiritual identity so to speak, that's how I look at it anyway just giving my two cents.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
The concept of the soul is certainly a pleasant one, but there's no good reason to think that the brain isn't responsible for the will, mind, emotions and personality; in fact, all of the evidence points to it being responsible. The brain is undoubtedly extraordinary, and consciousness can't be fully explained, but maybe it will be in the future, and I think we should continue to strive towards finding a completely natural explanation for it, but we shouldn't come up with a supernatural explanation for it, even though that explanation could be correct. You're simply saying all of these things without even the slightest amount of proof, and if I'm wrong about that, then prove me wrong; don't just say that you have faith.

Lushiro
The brain is the engine. The soul is the driver. The body is the vehicle, they need one another to function as a whole.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
Where is your proof, Lushiro? Where did you get your proof that can justify your saying these things? How did you come to believe in them?

Lushiro
How did I come to believe? Because logically energy cannot be created or destroyed, only change form. I would assume when we die, that special part of our spiritual anatomy isn't destroyed but transitions to the next dimension. There is a quote saying, we aren't human beings living a spiritual experience but spiritual beings living a human experience. But I do have other resources, maybe I'll fetch them later. In the mean time, ponder about the soul you have, just meditate on that.
OrWhatever · 26-30, M
Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, that much is true, but how did you determine that the soul is composed of energy? Quotes always sound nice, but they don't prove anything... I'll ponder about the soul that I MIGHT have.

Lushiro
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mauricio-garrido/vedic-philosophy-and-quantum-mechanics-on-the-soul_b_3082572.html