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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
The education one goes around and around.
But facts are still facts whether they're Geographical or historical or Mathematical etc.
Technology is a curse on the modern age.
It gives you everything you want and nothing you need !
Grumpy Grandad here still advocates text books and wrote learning i'm afraid.
Once five is five. Two fives are ten. Three fives are fifteen....etc.
That's how it was done for generations and everybody knew it BY HEART.
But facts are still facts whether they're Geographical or historical or Mathematical etc.
Technology is a curse on the modern age.
It gives you everything you want and nothing you need !
Grumpy Grandad here still advocates text books and wrote learning i'm afraid.
Once five is five. Two fives are ten. Three fives are fifteen....etc.
That's how it was done for generations and everybody knew it BY HEART.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Picklebobble2 It's not the contents the problem, it's the means. Forcing people to learn things the old way will only make education as a whole unattractive. Which is the last thing everybody wants.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Elessar But look at what 'good' that method has done ?
Falling standards; employers complaining young people don't know the basics of what they need them to know....it doesn't work.
Education is boring. It's supposed to be ! That's where you learn the basics in communication; research and understanding.
Studying is tedious !
Revising is aggravating !
But if you learn things by the numbers it's a whole lot easier to retain in your memory.
Falling standards; employers complaining young people don't know the basics of what they need them to know....it doesn't work.
Education is boring. It's supposed to be ! That's where you learn the basics in communication; research and understanding.
Studying is tedious !
Revising is aggravating !
But if you learn things by the numbers it's a whole lot easier to retain in your memory.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Picklebobble2 More young people get to the highest level of education over here than their parents and grandparents ever did in the previous decades. I'd say falling standards are the consequence of dire economic situations, for now, more than anything else.
(Most) employers tend to want highly specialised workforce for free or very little cost; claiming young people can't work is how you justify "apprenticeship" periods in which the candidates do exactly what an experienced worker is supposed to do with not even half the ordinary wage. And once the traineeship/apprenticeship is over, you just need to get a new candidate. You don't even have to fire the new one because the contract was temporary anyway, you simply won't renew it. So I find it really hard to believe anything they say in that regards, generally.
And I disagree also with the latest point as well. I learn things better if I'm stimulated, not if I get bored. It reminds me of a thing my grandmother often tells me about her times: there was a well radicated belief over here that the most effective medications, for any condition, had necessarily to be the ones which tasted the worst. I don't think we currently choose therapeutics on the base of how bad they taste, right? Killing people interest in getting educated is exactly how you create hordes of people who'll eventually reject and dropout of education as a whole.
(Most) employers tend to want highly specialised workforce for free or very little cost; claiming young people can't work is how you justify "apprenticeship" periods in which the candidates do exactly what an experienced worker is supposed to do with not even half the ordinary wage. And once the traineeship/apprenticeship is over, you just need to get a new candidate. You don't even have to fire the new one because the contract was temporary anyway, you simply won't renew it. So I find it really hard to believe anything they say in that regards, generally.
And I disagree also with the latest point as well. I learn things better if I'm stimulated, not if I get bored. It reminds me of a thing my grandmother often tells me about her times: there was a well radicated belief over here that the most effective medications, for any condition, had necessarily to be the ones which tasted the worst. I don't think we currently choose therapeutics on the base of how bad they taste, right? Killing people interest in getting educated is exactly how you create hordes of people who'll eventually reject and dropout of education as a whole.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Elessar I agree entirely on the employer part.
For far too long governments have favoured employers at the expense of the workforce.
Any you're absolutely right on the laughable 'apprenticeship' conditions !
I'm not sure what the answer is unless there's a root and branch understanding of [b]This is how it's going to be ![/b] agreed by all sides.
But quite how you achieve that....especially in these seemingly never ending times of inequality everywhere.
For far too long governments have favoured employers at the expense of the workforce.
Any you're absolutely right on the laughable 'apprenticeship' conditions !
I'm not sure what the answer is unless there's a root and branch understanding of [b]This is how it's going to be ![/b] agreed by all sides.
But quite how you achieve that....especially in these seemingly never ending times of inequality everywhere.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Picklebobble2 And large corporates over mid-small business as well. I'm not saying all employers are necessarily slavers of course.
Personally over here in Italy I think the education system is too dispersive and unnecessarily redundant. I'd merge mid school and high school into one and reorganize the whole thing similarly to universities: repeatable tests/exams, lessons delivered in multiple ways (prerecorded video or slideshow + commentary online, frontal lessons for discussion, lab hours for practicing, and a recommended textbook for those who prefer learning from written material, which was often my case). Which would work probably a lot better than requiring students to massively gather in small classrooms, and teachers to repeat the same lessons over and over every year.
Personally over here in Italy I think the education system is too dispersive and unnecessarily redundant. I'd merge mid school and high school into one and reorganize the whole thing similarly to universities: repeatable tests/exams, lessons delivered in multiple ways (prerecorded video or slideshow + commentary online, frontal lessons for discussion, lab hours for practicing, and a recommended textbook for those who prefer learning from written material, which was often my case). Which would work probably a lot better than requiring students to massively gather in small classrooms, and teachers to repeat the same lessons over and over every year.