I read an article a year or so back that explained a lot of the inputs are from made up data. Areas are being reported where no thermometer exists. Guess what all those locations were significantly warmer than the nearest actual thermometer.
@Messi I just think it's nice that if say that you have an article, that it's way more credible to post a link too it, and preferably copy paste the segment that needs our attention. It's something Joe has incredible problems with. Backing up claims, is not his best quality.
@Kwek00 I read about 20 articles a day. I don't log them. I don't foot note them. I read them and if there is something of interest in the article I make mental note of it. You should try it sometime. You might learn something.
@hippyjoe1955 20 articles a day Joe... AND YET, you never citate anny of them. And when you do, it's ussually not an article at all, it's a blogpost on "the federalist" or a newsarticle on some sketchy website. And most of the time, you didn't even understood what you have read, because I have to tell you where the nuances are you didn't spot.
But why would you even read a scientific article, because you don't believe in "peer revieuwed" papers annyway. It's all just a hoax to you. 😂
This may not be one of the many available that Joe was referring to. But here's one you can ignore from PJ Media
Email messages obtained by the Competitive Enterprise Institute via a Freedom of Information Act request reveal that the climate dataset of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) was considered -- by the top climate scientists within NASA itself -- to be inferior to the data maintained by the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit (CRU).
The NASA scientists also felt that NASA GISS data was inferior to the National Climate Data Center Global Historical Climate Network (NCDC GHCN) database.
These emails, obtained by Christopher Horner, also show that the NASA GISS dataset was not independent of CRU data.
Further, all of this information regarding the accuracy and independence of NASA GISS data was directly communicated to a reporter from USA Today in August 2007.
The reporter never published it.
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There are only four climate datasets available. All global warming study, such as the reports from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), must be based on these four.
They are: the NASA GISS dataset, the NCDC GHCN dataset, the CRU dataset, and the Japan Meteorological Agency dataset.
Following Climategate, when it became known that raw temperature data for CRU's "HADCRU3" climate dataset had been destroyed, Phil Jones, CRU's former director, said the data loss was not important -- because there were other independent climate datasets available.
But the emails reveal that at least three of the four datasets were not independent, that NASA GISS was not considered to be accurate, and that these quality issues were known to both top climate scientists and to the mainstream press.
In a response to reporter Doyle Rice of USA Today, Dr. Reto Ruedy -- a senior scientist at NASA -- recommended the following:
Continue using NCDC's data for the U.S. means and Phil Jones' [HADCRU3] data for the global means. ...
We are basically a modeling group and were forced into rudimentary analysis of global observed data in the 70s and early 80s. ...
Now we happily combine NCDC's and Hadley Center data to ... evaluate our model results.
This response was extended later the same day by Dr. James Hansen -- the head of NASA GISS:
[For] example, we extrapolate station measurements as much as 1200 km. This allows us to include results for the full Arctic. In 2005 this turned out to be important, as the Arctic had a large positive temperature anomaly. We thus found 2005 to be the warmest year in the record, while the British did not and initially NOAA also did not. ...
It should be noted that the different groups have cooperated in a very friendly way to try to understand different conclusions when they arise.
Two implications of these emails: The data to which Phil Jones referred to as "independent" was not -- it was being "corrected" and reused among various climate science groups, and the independence of the results was no longer assured; and the NASA GISS data was of lower quality than Jones' embattled CRU data.
The NCDC GHCN dataset mentioned in the Ruedy email has also been called into question by Joe D'Aleo and Anthony Watts. D'Aleo and Watts showed in a January 2010 report that changes in available measurement sites and the selection criteria involved in "homogenizing" the GHCN climate data raised serious questions about the usefulness of that dataset as well.
These three datasets -- from NASA GISS, NCDC GHCN, and CRU -- are the basis of essentially all climate study supporting anthropogenic global warming.
@Budwick I read up on it... I'm not going to ignore this. Just say what point you want to make and your article is trying to proof And how that relates to Joes' comment. And then we'll talk about it.
@Budwick I didn't spew everything, I asked for his sources Budwick.
Joe always explains he doesn't catalog stuff, becuase Joe pulls shit out of his ass as he goes along. He's also a dishonest actor. Something you have in common Budwick.
@Kwek00 Yeah, we know about your opinion. We've all heard it before duckboy. Again, I think it is telling you will speak and respond to anyone here, even those you despise and spend time trying to encourage other people to conform to your opinion.
It just demonstrates how desperate you are for human contact.
@Budwick Well, I think your a dishonest piece of shit Budwick I've been pretty open about that. But I'm glad someone else spelled it out for you so you could undserstand it 😂
@Budwick Yes, he says you and I are two peas in a pod. He thinks we are not entitled to express our opinion here. He likes to insert himself into discussions that he has no business being in, and telling everyone how they should think and feel about said topic.
When you respond to him in kind, he goes off the deep end and tries to convince everyone around him that his opinion is the only correct one, and spends a lot of time, shaming, cajoling, and threatening people who don't agree.
But somehow, I am the one who is behaving badly....🤔
@SumKindaMunster You know... you are both dishonest actors. But Budwick NEVER EVER was so frustrated to go into someone elses random story and then post a thing like this:
He talks behinds peoples backs, he goes hard in the stories where you are engaged with eachother. But he never was as frustrated and pathetic as you were when you did this 😂
So if you compare yourself... he's still better then you 😂
@SumKindaMunster Because you have nothing else Munster. The only thing you are good for is being a spellingcorrector. Preferably at the bottom of the ocean with the rest of the shit.
