Do you believe Greenland's glaciers are melting?

@Whyme That's a common myth. This climate period is man-made. Naturally the globes in a state of cooling. The fact that it's warming due to carbon in the atmosphere is all the more frightening when you consider that.

@MalcolmY Now that is funny!!!! Of all the fluctuations some rapid some slow some much greater than others you are going to determine that this fluctuation which is well within statistical norms is 'man made' based on????? Nothing but speculation.

@hippyjoe1955 i openly admit my opinion is based on nothing but my opinion

@Whyme then you two are on equal terms 👍️

@Kwek00 im sure you have the truth locked away in your vault

@Whyme Only on wednesdays' and thursdays' 🤫

@Whyme More or less my thoughts too, but the natural thaw from the last glaciation would be a lot slower than is happening now.

Whether all our attempts to slow the process will work at all remains to be seen. As does whether we are still in an interglacial, or seeing the end of present Ice Age altogether. If the latter just be glad none of us reading this will be around to see it happening.

@ArishMell Based on what? We have no idea how fast it warmed or cooled int hte past. No idea whatsoever. I like to look at the great mysteries. Things like The frozen mammoths in Siberia. How fast does the climate change? Well it would seem in a matter of seconds. We find their frozen carcasses standing with butter cups in their mouth. Buttercups don't grow on glaciers so the animals were in relative warm climate when they were with a what can only described as a blast freezer. The meat is so fresh it can still be eaten.

@hippyjoe1955 Natural processes can be in rapid but comparatively small events, such as major blizzards, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. They can also be very slow and relatively steady, such the weathering of rock.

What counts is not individual oddities like dead mammoths with flowers in their mouths, or single eruptions, but long-term patterns and trends of many such individual events.

The calculations of the past cannot be calendar-precise, obviously, but they are based on overlapping and growing bodies of evidence found, re-tested and reviewed by eminent researchers from around the world.

Not mere guesses, folklore, political dogma or other unreliable sources.

@ArishMell Tell that to the frozen mammoths. Your suppositions are nonsense based on observations. Climate can change rapidly either way. What is known is CO2 and mankind's CO2 is not a driver of climate. Recent studies with actual evidence seems to indicate that fluctuations in the earth's magnetosphere is a far greater determinant of climate than plant food. However as one wag put it "Its the Sun son". Mankind isn't changing nor can mankind control the change. We are along for the ride. Adapt of die.

@hippyjoe1955 I did not "suppose" anything.

Natural processes do go in a rather jumpy fashion (as the poor mammoths found?) but "rapidly" in them is not necessarily "rapidly" in animal timescales.


I think you are right there!


A purely natural change, no, of course not; but international scientific consensus now is that mankind is adding an artificial rate of change so may be able to set that back. Whether right or not only time will tell; and the measures many countries are trying to implement don't come without a risk of very large new problems of their own.

@hippyjoe1955 Which studies are those Joe? Do you have a source?

@Kwek00 you won't read them anyways. They were published in Russia, Finland and Japan.

@hippyjoe1955 Sure I will, I read most of your other material too remember.