@Pfuzylogic Thank you for proving my point. That’s exactky how science works. With evidence.
And there is so much evidence for global warming. But people who don’t understand science or what scientists do tend to think it’s just a matter of opinion 😁
@wildland Your initial assertion was much broader than global warming. I think global warming is obvious but there are many things in science in the 20th century that people thought were true and have been disproven by the JWST. They might think of moving Hawking’s burial spot since he was one of the biggest hacks!
People who don't understand science seem to think that just because something is disproven, it means that scientists have been lying to us all along. Not because new evidence has come to light.
So because people who don't understand science think that we're being lied to, they decide that whatever scientists say is a matter of opinion (or whoever they think is paying them to have an opinion).
And people are scared of the ramifications of global warming, so they take comfort in their belief that scientists lie all the time and only promote "paid opinions"
They have shown with recent evidence that the old Big Bamg theory is only a far fetched opinion
Have they really? I majored in physics, and that's news to me!!! There are finer details to be worked out (google Hubble tension) but the notion that the Big Bang theory is considered "far fetched" is itself far fetched!!!
@Pfuzylogic The JWST has shown that galaxies formed much earlier than expected. It's for sure challenging the existing models of galactic evolution, but not the concept of the Big Bang itself.
@Therealsteve I studied the 1905 relativity equations as part of my undergrad physics curriculum. A familiarity with relativity is kind of important to understanding some of the finer points modern big Bang theory.
@ElwoodBlues Big Bang is pure Hubble. Hubble presented to Einstein the Doppler shift and at the time Einstein had nothing to oppose him with. Einstein did not buy into the Big Bang. You forget to mention that all of the data from Gaia third round and JWST contradict the theory as far as light given from the stars and elements detected and after Gaia , JWST contradicted with more evidence with star and galaxy formation. Doppler works fine when space is a vacuum but it isn’t.
@Pfuzylogic Einstein isn't the Pope of physics; his blessing isn't needed.
Big Bang is pure Hubble.
Alan Guth made a huge contribution to Big Bang when he introduced inflation. Hawking contribution added combined quantum mechanics & general relativity to Big Bang. Many others contributed, I'm just naming a few.
Gaia is focused on local galaxies. JWST refined and improved Big Bang; didn't overturn it. As @wildland pointed out science is a constant process of refinement.
all of the data from Gaia third round and JWST contradict the theory
I want to be on the same page as you. Links please.
Doppler works fine when space is a vacuum but it isn’t.
In intergalactic space, there are about TEN atoms per cubic meter of space. You think those ten atoms have a giant perturbation on the visible light doppler effect??
1905 relativity confirmed the doppler effect for rapidly moving objects; has nothing to do with the space thru which the light later propagates.
@ElwoodBlues Gaia data round 3 is available through google. I don’t do links but I do know that the conflation of Einstein and Big Bang is way off the mark. Even Sir Roger Penrose has done major modifications on the data of the graphic you presented and won a recent Nobel Prize for his “double” big bangs where it bangs and collapses and bangs again. I try to look with a very critical eye on 20th century science with regards to that.
@Pfuzylogic Gaia results are all about the Hubble tension. No overthrowing of Big Bang. https://tritonstation.com/2017/04/16/cepheids-gaia-no-systematic-in-the-hubble-constant/ https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2021/05/aa39734-20/aa39734-20.html
t I do know that the conflation of Einstein and Big Bang is way off the mark.
Dead wrong. You can't do large scale cosmology without general relativity.
@ElwoodBlues Again I don’t do links. Please be capable to explain your critical thought. You brought Einstein into this. It is called the Hubble LeMaitre theory for a reason.
