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What do you think of Dawkins' sentiments?

Richard Dawkins says: “In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”

Is this true? If it's all nothing, how is he able to say there is no good and evil? The ideas and debates we have must mean we have a conscience. Without a conscience, there would be no discussion and nothing to think about. Dawkins would not have the clarity to make this statement without a conscience.
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JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
He never said all is nothing. He is just saying their is no supernatural forces guiding the universe. You can be moral an have a conscience without the supernatural and he always said that although the universe is indifferent to humanity, that doesn't mean human society has to be indifferent and selfish, to the contrary.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@JimboSaturn Where do you get your conscience from?
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@emiliya Its innate in our species unless you are a sociopath psychopath
emiliya · 22-25, F
@JimboSaturn How can it be innate if there is no creator? Why would we have a conscience?
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@emiliya Evolution of a conscience us benefitial for our species.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@JimboSaturn Where did the conscience come from? Evolution has to come after, not before.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@emiliya Conscience evolved in our species to allow us to cooperate. I believe in evolution. All our physical and mental characteristics were shaped by evolution.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@JimboSaturn Why are you mindlessly repeating these words? I want you to say something you thought of in your own head.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@emiliya
Evolution has to come after, not before

Evolution is a constant, ceaseless, process. Nothing comes before or after evolution. Every microsecond of every day your reproductive fitness is being weighed
emiliya · 22-25, F
@newjaninev2 You believe nothing came before evolution?
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@emiliya I am. What am I repeating? A conscience is not something supernatural or given to us by some supernatural being, it has evolved in the human species because it is advantageous for us to have it. I'm repeating myself because you can't see to understand this concept.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@emiliya For evolution to occur there must be organisms capable of genetic change. The very moment these exist evolution by Natural Selection is in play... ceaselessly

Before abiogenesis there was nothing for evolution to work with. When the last organism on Earth dies, there will be no evolution.

I would have thought that to be self-evident.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@JimboSaturn God knows that having a conscience is not advantageous, and that is why the story of Jesus is a sad one. Goodness and doing the right thing cost us. You are talking about cooperation with other humans. Your idea is: “if I help you, you can help me.” This is a practical idea that sometimes works.

A conscience is when you know that you will receive something, say a million dollars, if you kill someone and there is no legal penalty, but you don't do it. Being good is hard, and has few advantages. Is the Mexican mayor who recently got his head cut off feeling the benefits of standing up to cartel? I don't think so, his head was cut off and had to be reattached for his funeral. Being good cost him his life.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@newjaninev2 Do you think abiogenesis has been proven? How did it happen?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@emiliya Life is a self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution.

The evidence for abiogenesis is that there is life on this planet.

The process that resulted in abiogenesis is currently uncertain, although there are several viable candidates. In fact, we may never know.

Nevertheless, invoking magical entities explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away (it doesn't even explain the magical entities)
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@emiliya The Golden Rule is a force oh cohesion for humanity that helped ys cooperated an succeed.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@newjaninev2 “Life is a self-sustaining chemical system capable of Darwinian evolution.”

Life is complex. Why are you trying to make it sound so simple?

The evidence is that there is life? You acknowledge that we don't know how it happened. I can see there is coca cola on the table, but if I don't know how it got there or where it comes from, what do I really know about it?

God is decisive and has answers. What answers do you have? How does nonliving matter come together to create this living machine? Doesn't something have to be alive for it to work? You could say the scientists are able to provide evidence for their hypotheses and their theories, but they are alive. Someone who is alive can manipulate these things and they can cheat. How does the planet cheat?
@newjaninev2
The evidence for abiogenesis is that there is life on this planet.
Please tell me you're not serious. This argument is circular, and you've automatically discounted any and all other potential possibilities off hand!
There is precisely zero evidence for abiogenesis, but it's become the default position for ardent naturalists to hold, and simply because they can't come up with something better that will actually fit within their dogmatic paradigm.
@emiliya
Life is complex. Why are you trying to make it sound so simple?
These people have to, because otherwise they just can't explain it, and God forbid we have a mystery on our hands, or worse, are compelled to invoke something beyond the natural realm in order to account for it.
@emiliya How do you know God is talking to you, and not your imagination? I've noticed that whenever anyone invokes "God's will," it usually aligns with their own.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@Bel6EQUJ5 Precisely there is no need to invoke magic or the supernatural
emiliya · 22-25, F
@LeopoldBloom God wants to guide all of us. How do you know he is not talking to you?
emiliya · 22-25, F
@JimboSaturn Magic, you say? Abiogenesis is less than magic and implausible. I believe it to be impossible. Why do you believe it?
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@emiliya I believe that everything has a natural logical explanation. We willfind out like we have explained every other thing that were once mysteries .
@emiliya If you think God created life, please explain the mechanism he used. Be specific. How does a disembodied spirit affect material reality?

I know God isn't talking to me because I don't hear him or recognize whatever he's saying as coming from him. If God wants me to understand him, he needs to communicate with me in a way I'm capable of understanding. If God wants to guide all of us, doesn't God get what he wants? If God wants to guide me and fails, that means he's not omnipotent.
@JimboSaturn You can believe that if you like, but that doesn't mean it's true.