What do you think of Dawkins' sentiments?

Richard Dawkins says: “In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”

Is this true? If it's all nothing, how is he able to say there is no good and evil? The ideas and debates we have must mean we have a conscience. Without a conscience, there would be no discussion and nothing to think about. Dawkins would not have the clarity to make this statement without a conscience.

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NativePortlander1970 ·

Dawkins is correct, everything is by random rolls of the dice, evolution taking its place in the nature of things.

emiliya · 22-25, F

@NativePortlander1970 Do you think there is good and evil? If we are not moral beings, why do we fight one another? Why do we believe there is a right and wrong?

Bel6EQUJ5

@NativePortlander1970 Yeah, nah.

NativePortlander1970 ·

@emiliya They exist alright, BUT, who gets to define them, the religions that instruct how slaves are to be treated and allows young virgin girls to become spoils of war, or a government that still refuses to acknowledge centuries of genocide against the Indigenous Peoples it conquored and subjugated.

NativePortlander1970 ·

@Bel6EQUJ5 Prove me wrong then.

Bel6EQUJ5

@NativePortlander1970 I don't need to. The one who makes the claim is the one upon whom the burden of evidence lies.
And will you address the other issue I raised in our other discussion here?

NativePortlander1970 ·

@Bel6EQUJ5 Read my reply to @emiliya , says everything right there.

Bel6EQUJ5

@NativePortlander1970 Your response to Emiliya:

Dawkins is correct, everything is by random rolls of the dice, evolution taking its place in the nature of things.

Now why should anyone believe this? Give me a single good reason to actually accept this? How can you not see that this belief of his (and yours) is nothing more than a presupposition, an assumption based upon... what?

NativePortlander1970 ·

@Bel6EQUJ5 The theory of evolution

Bel6EQUJ5

@NativePortlander1970 What about it?

emiliya · 22-25, F

@NativePortlander1970 “They exist alright, BUT, who gets to define them, the religions that instruct how slaves are to be treated and allows young virgin girls to become spoils of war, or a government that still refuses to acknowledge centuries of genocide against the Indigenous Peoples it conquored and subjugated.”

What does religion have to do with God? Why does our perception matter? What I know is there are things going on around me and that people are at odds with one another. Why does Dawkins write books if we are nothing? Why would he argue with a theist if he is not a moral being with a conscience? A conscience is more than feeling bad if you do something wrong. We have will and a desire to do what is right. It may not be what is right for others, but it is right for us, and we often think it is right for others. The Zionists in Israel think it is right to defeat their enemies and rule the region. The anti Zionists think it is right to stop the Israelis and save the Palestinians. Why is that? When we are monsters, we are at our most human. A monster can have the most acute senses, of what hurts and doesn't hurt. It all comes down to right and wrong and right and wrong. Is it right, or is it wrong? Where did we get that from? God, who is the universe and more. Dawkins is trying to tell us there is nothing when he has spent his career trying to prove something. Why would there be anything to prove in a world of nothing?

NativePortlander1970 ·

@emiliya So, ranting against Zionism, hmmm?