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I Don't Like Religion

Earlier today, I was watching the film "Room". A great film, by the way. But it reminded me of just how bizzare I find it when religion appears in media and film. Just one sentence in the film gave me quite a lot to think about, and it wasn't even a very important line. Something along the lines of "Did it make you feel like God had abandoned you". That totally pulled me out of the movie. It's just so jarring for me. I was raised in an atheist household, and grew up watching Star Trek, whose creator, Gene Roddenberry, was so atheist that he said that religion and superstition and mystical thinking were not to be part of his Universe in any way. To try and explain why I find religion so perplexing, let me offer an analogy:

Imagine someone hands you a piece of paper with the words "This is a cake" Written on it. He is adamant that this piece of paper, is in fact a cake. Understandably, you're skeptical. Your only evidence for this is a bit of writing on a piece of paper, and the sworn word of the person who wrote the words. Now, you'll remain rightfully skeptical, but the man's children? They will be raised believing for their entire lives that this piece of paper is in fact a cake. And when people tell them that it's obviously not and they're misinformed, they won't accept it. After all, their dad taught them that it was true since they were children. Now, over time, hundreds of years in fact, this group, let's call them "Papercakers", have gained a reasonable following. While at first peaceful, they end up going to war with poeple who believe that some cardboard is a piece of cake, and people who think that there are lots of pieces of paper that are cakes. After a while, these wars die down and for the most part, people segregate themselves into areas where the government share their particular cake-based beliefs. But as time moves on, some people start to question the validity of the Papercakers' claims. They examine the paper, and find that all reasonable evidence points to it being just a piece of paper with some writing on it. But of course, this kind of skepticism cannot be allowed, and so these skeptics are silenced or forced to hide. But as time passes, they can come out of the shadows. As society progresses, the Papercakers start to understand that other people can have opinions of their own and shouldn't be persecuted for those beliefs. At which point those skeptics look at the papercakers, utterly confused, and say: "Why in the world do you believe that this random piece of paper is a cake! You have absolutely no reason to believe it!" And how do they respond? "I've known that this piece of paper is a cake since forever. I know it's true." But of course, why do they know it's true? Because their parents told them. And who told [i]their [/i]parents? And on it goes, until we reach one man that wrote the four words "This is a cake" on a random bit of paper.

90% of Americans are religious. That's terrifying. How can that many people justify believing that a piece of paper is a cake? In the realm of all sense, that claim is nonsense.

Believe what you want. I don't want to stop you. But I will never understand you. And, as Patton Oswalt put it:

room101 · 51-55, M
This is indeed a very well written and very well thought out piece. However, your analogy misses one vital point. Cakes actually exist in the physical realm. Therefore, the claims of the Papercakers can be very easily refuted. For someone who believes in a spiritual entity, this is simply not the case. Their faith cannot be refuted, or even challenged, by any form of physical proof.

Also, I would argue against Masterseekingone’s claim about religion causing the majority of wars. Wars are caused by a desire for territory and resources. In the past, religion may have been used to motivate armies, by giving them a righteous belief in their cause, but it very rarely actually caused the war.
room101 · 51-55, M
i'm not picking and choosing to suit my case. i'm picking and choosing to suit your statement, vis a vis religion has caused more wars than anything else.

look at human history and we see that that's not true. in fact, i can only think of two wars that have directly been caused by religion. the Muslim invasions of 1400 years ago when Mohammad wanted to convert everybody to Islam and, the Crusades when the Christians wanted to take back the Holy Land from the Muslims.

prove me wrong by all means, but don't throw in wider issues that are not relevant to your claim. you don't like religion, that's your prerogative. i believe in God and belong to the oldest Christian denomination on the planet and there's a lot about religion that i too don't like. but that doesn't mean that i can make stuff up to suit my likes and dislikes.
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
Not really to be honest. I see so much damage so many deaths, so much cruelty being caused in the name of God that it just angers me.

When one of the richest organizations on the planet, the Catholic church, will allow millions to starve and suffer. When murders and atrocities are being made in the name of the Koran. When the church orders the murder of the Templars knights or the torture and death of thousands of women for being whitches. When war is fought for a piece of land that is only of signifiance because of God. When Moses was supposedly sent to take the promised land, which he did with force.

No I don't wish to discuss this, because it just makes my blood boil what people will do in the name of God and by doing so absolve themselves of responsibility.
room101 · 51-55, M
there is no doubt that there is a lot of hypocrisy involved when religion is used to justify war, or any form of conflict. but your assertion is that religion causes wars. that's simply not the case.

neither of the two world wars were caused by religion. in fact, i would argue that you would be hard pushed to find any war, in the last hundred years or more, that was caused by religion. and that includes the conflicts in Afghanistan and Syria (where religious ideology is used to motivate). furthermore, what about communist countries who don't believe in any form deity. are you suggesting that they don't go to war?
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
Your determined to push it aren't you. Well I obviously have more self control than you and am not going to follow you down the route of personal insult. Live your life the way you wish with your beliefs as I shall with mine. I have no need to prove anything what so e we to you. I wish you luck and all the best.
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
@room101 caused in the name of religion or due to religious belief.

And if the point needs pushing. If one life is taken in the name of religion surely that goes against religions own beliefs.

For me religion is for the weak minded who need to believe there is a reason for life. We are born , we live, we die. It's that simple.
room101 · 51-55, M
do you think? i mean, are you even capable of thought? doesn't seem like it. i've seen no evidence of it. therefore, according to the atheist mantra, if something cannot be empirically proven, it can't exist.
room101 · 51-55, M
mate, i've tried to walk away from this twice and each time you come out with drivel that you now label as truth. i thought that it was us religious types that were supposed to be irrational and illogical.
room101 · 51-55, M
apart from the recent spate of Islamic terrorism, all that you've listed happened long before the hundred year challenge that i put to you.

like i said, i'm happy to leave this if you don't want to discuss it
room101 · 51-55, M
surely we can only do that if the topic being discussed is a matter of subjective opinion. your assertion can be proven or disproved by looking at historical facts.
room101 · 51-55, M
the causes of the two greatest wars known to man is not a matter of interpretation. anyway, don't worry about it. you clearly don't want to have a discussion about this so i'll leave you alone.
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
A very well written piece, that I am in total agreement with.

I'll add this. More wars have been caused in the name of religious belief than in anything else.
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
You can't pick and choose. Religion covers the history of human kind you can't pick the last hundred years. That's making an argument to suit your case.
syncopated · M
I used to work in psychiatry, and soon concluded that religion and the family have screwed up more people than all other causes combined.
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
Hahaha I'll leave the drivel to the church I think
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree.
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
Or bury the truth to hide the facts
Dominantsoul · 56-60, M
No it's down to interpretation.
room101 · 51-55, M
i'm speechless. totally speechless

 
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