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val70 · 56-60
Well, my friend, I guess that the chickens have come to roost. Personally, I don't like Burnham and you're right that the so-called "wokeness" will ultimately destroy the Anglicanism that is always been that in reference to the past. Macmillan chose Ramsey despite the strong objections of the outgoing Archbishop, Geoffrey Fisher. Fisher actively opposed Ramsey’s appointment, viewing him as too academic, poorly organized, and overly Anglo-Catholic. There's indeed a difference between being catholic Anglican and Anglo-Catholic, and Ramsey wasn't the former.
val70 · 56-60
@BritishFailedAesthetic Can you say that you know anything about God without having a relationship with Him? It's not only about reading the Bible, but also keep using the mind that God have you and respecting the traditions that are inside your Christian strain of worship. That's the Anglican three legged stool. Reading ones Bible in the same instance of praying to God works the best for me. It's like running long distances. One runs through a scenery whilst still thinking but gradually ones thinking becomes more precise because there's a switch off of any noise that interferes with the running itself. Likewise, social values are just scenery and the switch off is pure faith. Of course, the running is living ones life according to what has been since the beginning and will ever be there.
@val70 Ofcourse I pray to God. Burying my head in theology books is not my exclusive form of worship- prayer is far more important.
val70 · 56-60
@BritishFailedAesthetic The name of the book is Cranmer's Book of Common Prayer.

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Can't be worse than any of our current awful bunch.
peterlee · M
@BritishFailedAesthetic Jesus central to their belief, Bible based, and seeped in prayer. Is that too much to ask for:
@peterlee On here it is and it is too sadly in my denomination.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I see no problem with not calling God, "father", as only a theological detail for clerics to debate; but I do agree with you that prime ministers should not influence the Church of England's employment policies and choices.
RedBaron · M
Why should God ever be assumed to be male and addressed as father? Why do you have a problem with gender neutrality and simply referring to God as God?

And what difference does any of this make to anyone outside this shrinking denomination?
peterlee · M
@RedBaron The issue raised is that of Burnham, a Roman Catholic appointing Church of England bishops.
RedBaron · M
@peterlee So what? From what I’ve heard, the majority of people in England aren’t even Anglicans anyway. It’s a shrinking denomination.
peterlee · M
@RedBaron So why are you commenting on a post of no interest to you?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
All Prime Ministers have been involved, and no doubt had the timing been right, Rishi Sunak would have signed off on one. That's the problem with having a State church (to which I do not belong), the State must have a say.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@peterlee The trouble is, the religious labels politicians choose to give themselves very often have no more than superficial cultural meaning and their personal faith remains just that. I find a number of people I politically abhor say they share similar faith beliefs as I do, which just reminds me that it's all very complex.
peterlee · M
@FreddieUK It goes further than the Archbishop of Canterbury though. All bishops in the Church of England.

Thatcher was well known in rejecting those possible bishops who preached Social Justice. She rejected Jim Thomson as bishop of Birmingham, appointed the ultra conservative Graham Leonard as Bishop of London instead of Stuart Blanch. And was responsible for the disgraced George Carey!
She interfered with the appointment of assistant Bishops.

So why is Burnham so keen to poke his nose in?

Most just rubber stamp what is given to them.

And as we have seen there is a mechanism in place to deal with a none Anglican Prime Minister.

The answer, I hope is the disestablishment of the Church of England. The centrality of Christ, not our political masters. This is not China.

Despite all its warts, the Church of England has produced John Newton, Nicky Gumbel, CS Lewis, John Stott, William Temple, Thomas Cranmer, and many more. The Holy Spirit is clearly at work here.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@peterlee Many fine Christians have worshipped within the broad church which is the Church of England. I agree with you, that disestablishment would be the only way to remove politicians interfering in the calling of Christ.

 
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