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What are churches about these days?

I'm not a Telegraph reader nor do I like where the present stream inside the Church of England is heading us towards. The collar isn't about being collared
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
The Telegraph is well known for disliking any cultural change that came about after the end of conscription and even before that was reeling from the death of servants knowing their place. It's good to know it has something else to upset people who don't set foot in church between Christmases and give them an opinion at the sherry parties or the Lodge.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@FreddieUK LOL!

Do we know where this is, by the way?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ArishMell I have no clues, but again, the source would suggest the UK and within that, England, because that is where most of their readers' horizons for outrage end.
val70 · 51-55
@FreddieUK You focus there on the paper and don't even notice the actual subject matter, this again misguided idea that TikTok does anything at all but treat the substance stupidly and the soulless with reference
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@FreddieUK It reminds me a bit of the 1960s, when I were but a lad in my teens.

All those Disgusteds of Tunbridge Wells, and the likes of Malcom Muggeridge* on Any Questions, pontificating about the world ending thanks to all these long-haired layabouts and their dreadful "Beat Music". I don't recall them criticising girls for wearing these 'ere new-fangled miniskirts though.

Years later I realised some of those embittered old men were probably jealous, really, as well as unable to cope with change anyway.

They'd come from years marked generally by dull uniformity, limited choices, poor health, polluted air, bad teachers, bad working pay and conditions, men dying only a year or so after retiring; then of course a World War in which many had served, seen and done truly dreadful things; and the Austerity Years.

Now all of a sudden they saw teenagers enjoying life in their own ways!

Obviously those getting all hot-and-bothered here about a priest having long hair and loosened dog-collar had nothing like that horrible background (at least I hope they didn't); but still hint at disliking change and youth.


Of course, the real reason for their dislike might be that the priest in question is a woman.

A few years ago one female SW user was right ratty with me, simply because I'd admitted having attended the ordination to deacon of a long-time friend who happens to be a woman. As if I run the Church of England.

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*Malcom Muggeridge. 1903 -1990. Journalist, author, satirist. Initially holding Communist sympathies he reported from Moscow, but later succeeded in revealing the USSR -forced famine in Ukraine. Became a Roman Catholic, at least rather nominally; and came to dislike intensely "pot and pills" (cannabis and the contraceptive pill, as if some sort of link).
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ArishMell I remember Malcolm Muggeridge well. He used to appear on television a lot, as you say and comment on modern culture as it was then. The irony was that he boasted about not having a television set but still felt able to comment on what was the main cultural expression of its time. One of his expressions was, "I've had my aerials removed." Very droll.

I think the older generation complaining about the younger generation has been a thing since Socrates. It's also true the other way around. The younger generation knows that they know far more than the older generation who were very stupid to do what they did. Then one day, quite unexpectedly and by surprise, they find they ARE the older generation and people are saying the same thing about them. That's my experience anyway.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@FreddieUK Very true. All these old 'uns getting in our way!

I think indeed Socrates did write about how bad are the youth of today.