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@Entwistle Here is a video from Bart Ehrman explaining why the consensus of historians is that Jesus of Nazareth was a real person. I believe Ehrman is an agnostic atheist and does not accept the picture of Jesus as he is presented in the gospels. You really have to close your eyes to a whole host of evidence if you're going to posit that Jesus never existed.

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@ShadowSister My belief is my belief. Jesus of the Bible never existed.
There's absolute no evidence that he ever did.

@Entwistle I see. I literally just presented you the evidence in the short video i linked. So you know more than the consensus of academic, secular historians? What makes your belief any different from religious folks' beliefs?

@ShadowSister Mine is far more likely to be true.
You presented me with no evidence at all.

@Entwistle I literally posted a 26 minute video with one of the world's leading (non-Christian) Bible scholars. He is stating the consensus position of the academic community. Do you need me to summarize the points for you?

@Entwistle We have more writings describing the historical Jesus than we have for nearly any of his contemporaries. The sources we have are certainly problematic and inflated in what they say about him. But that alone is no reason to think he didn't exist. The evidence includes distinct sources Mark, Q (the overlapping material between Matthew & Luke), special Matthew (the non-overlapping material), special Luke (the non-overlapping material), John, the non-canonical gospels of Thomas and Peter, the writings of Paul and the pseudo-Pauline writings, the Johannine literature, the pseudo-Petrine writings, Jude, James, and the historian Josephus. Many have been redacted and added to, certainly, but draw on a historical nugget based on an actual individual.

You can certainly make the argument that Jesus didn't look very much like he is presented in the gospels. That is not a controversial statement. But to say that NO such Jesus of Nazareth figure existed, it's just a really strange argument to make in the face of scholarly consensus about an exceptionally mundane claim.

@ShadowSister My nephew has 100's of Spiderman comics and many people have actually seen them..however i am certain no Spiderman actually exists.
It's the same with the baloney written about the fictional character of Jesus of Nazareth.

@Entwistle I think you are confusing the question of what do we know about Jesus of Nazareth with the question of whether any person with that name ever existed. It would be like if I told you there really is a person named "Peter Parker" who lives in the NYC area. Of course he's not really Spider-man, but there is an actual person with that name. It's not a particularly extraordinary claim. So it would be sorta weird to completely discount that. Especially AGAINST the consensus of non-religious academic historians. But you do you.

@ShadowSister There may well have been a wandering nutcase who claimed to be God,who claimed to walk on water and who claimed to be able to raise the dead...however the god/man Jesus and all the things the Bible says he did...are fictitious.

@Entwistle Very few scholars believe that Jesus of Nazareth actually claimed to be a god. I would say a "wandering iterant preacher." He was almost certainly crucified in Jerusalem. And then legends grew up around him later. Yes, this is exactly the consensus position. Nothing extraordinary about it.

@ShadowSister Good.