Just because Deity hasn't charmed your heart and soul yet, don't succumb to communism

@Elessar Thats not comunisism.. They guy owned all the things Jesus challenged him to sell and give to the poor..

In communism people own nothing.. The state owns everything.. In communism you cannot sell anything because you own nothing.. You cannot give to to the poor because you have to own something to give it.. Communism takes away ownership and takes away charity..

@Adstar After selling everything, as per Jesus teachings, you own nothing

@Elessar You cannot sell anything if you own nothing.. A person in a communist society cannot do what Jesus asked the rich young man to do.. Because no one is rich in a communist society.. What Jesus asked the young man to do was Hard BECAUSE he owned a lot of stuff..

@Adstar Yes, therefore a person in a communist society is already compliant with what Jesus requested, that's the point. Stop climbing on mirrors, capitalism and Christianity are incompatible.

@Elessar Of course communism and capitalism are incompatible.. Capitalism creates wealth communism destroyed wealth..

Oh and communism states there is no God so how can communism be compliant with Gods will when it promotes atheism?? Communism for God is like saying Prostitution for Virginity.. 🤭 You atheists say the weirdest things sometimes..

@Adstar Socialism is for looking out for everyone so no-one need feel left behind. There have been decades of unconstrained consumerist capitalism which is now on the verge of collapse. Those in charge of churches have repeatedly let people down, so it is down to the people to take care of things on their own initiative. No "god" required.

@Adstar I'm not interested in your strawman/deflection, capitalism and Christianity are incompatible. Either you love God or you love money, there's no in-between.

"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money." (Matthew 6:24)

Communism says absolutely nothing about religion, just like capitalism; it's nothing more and nothing less than an economic doctrine. You can have atheistic capitalist states just as well as you can have christo-communism,

@Elessar The love of money is evil.. But capitalism is simply a system of free enterprise where people earn money to live.. I don't love money but the best system in the world for providing society with more resources is capitalism.. Socialism denies human nature and so leads to a totally disincentivized population who do the bare minimum because working hard and taking risks with your money does not pay in a communist system..

There is no point working hard in a communist system when the bludger next to you is doing the bare minimum and is getting the same pay.. So the most conscientious and hard working people end up losing all motivation and drive and end up like the bludgers and slackers..

An integral part of Karl max communist doctrine is that religion should be abolished if you are so uninformed about the basics of communism then your views on it are not to be considered worth paying attention to.. You are either ignorant or lying when you say communism has no position on religion::

Karl Marx Quote :: The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion..

@Adstar Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation and private property, both of which are unequivocally and strongly opposed by the Bible, sorry.

Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. - Matthew 6:19

Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others. - Corinthians 10:24

At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year's produce and store it in your towns, so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. - Deuteronomy 14:28-29

The land shall not be sold in perpetuity, for the land is mine; with me you are but aliens and tenants - Leviticus 25:23

Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” - Matthew 19:21

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Karl Marx is one of the many who modeled a communist system, and that's it, he doesn't define communism as a whole. You're reading Marx as if you were reading the bible, it's not that if he said that eggplants taste better than bell peppers, automatically in every communist country eggplants are to be preferred to bell peppers. Besides, Marx also wrote:

Communism is an social-economic model, whether some implementations of communism are in favour or against religion is totally irrelevant when comparing one economic model to another. There definitely are implementations of communism that DO embrace Christianity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism)

@Elessar
Yes operation for profit.. Profit brings about the expansion of capital thereby providing excess capital that can be invested in New business activities.. New profit earning operations... Thus capitalism generates wealth better then any other system in the world.. Now what people do with that capital is what Jesus is concerned about.. Like His parabal of Lazarus and the rich man.. The rich men are very much motivated by God to give charity to the poor in Christianity.. No rich Christian wants to end up like the rich man in hell suffering from unbearable heat begging God to warn his rich brothers so they would not end up in that place..

As for private proberty when God brought the Hebrews to the promised land He caused them to divide the land up into equal parcels of land that each family would own into perpetuity.. Buying and selling of land was prohiobitied and only the decendants of the owner could own the land.. But they all owned private property and thus where motivated to make the best use of their own private property and thats why by the time King Solomon came to power Israel was the richest kingdom in the area and probably the world.. The promised land was capitalism on sterioids.. a place where you could not buy or sell land.. But a land where everyone had ownership of the land whcih was the main source of wealth generation in those times..

@Adstar In order to make profit you need to go against Jesus' own teachings of not accruing wealth for yourself; as previously stated, original Christianity and capitalism are incompatible. No one, absolutely no one, in a capitalistic system will make profit just to distribute it to the less wealthy. And in fact when you suggest that you're labeled "socialist" by those who define themselves "Christian".

He didn't grant them a license to sell or rent that land, the land is still God's just like everything else. Doesn't really sound like private property.

@Elessar
Nope.. It's the love of money that is incompatable with Jesus.. Not money on it's own..


That is either a statment of an uninformed person, or a liar.. There have been many rich benifactors in history.. They have given fortunes out to the needy..

Well in the original set up of the Promised land He did not allow them to sell the land.. But if a person fell into debt their credator could make use of the land untill the jubalee year when all debts where canciled and everyone who was in debt gained their gained the exclusive use of their lands back.. So integril to the promised land was the private ownership of Land which was the priamary means of production..

If God has granted a person exclusive use of a property then that is private property not only for the term of that persons natural life but in the promised land it was also for the exclusive use of ones decendants..

@Adstar No. Re-read the verses I quoted:

Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. - Matthew 6:19

Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others. - Corinthians 10:24

No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money. - Matthew 6:24

Those who accrue capital in a capitalistic system are extremely resistant to releasing/distributing it. This is unequivocally observable in the real world. The liar here is you.

Not necessarily. And again

The land shall not be sold in perpetuity, for the land is mine; with me you are but aliens and tenants - Leviticus 25:23

That's not how private property works.

@Elessar Again you have to read verses in context of the entire Bible Elessar... And again you have to be given greater understanding by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.. You can make up any kind of doctrine if you post verses in isolation.. I know that from the many iunterations i have had with religous people..

@Adstar Translated to plain English: "You have to read the bible and interpret it in a way that supports my political agenda".

Not really, Adstar. I can read by myself and make a sense of what I'm reading. Those verses are self-explanatory, there's no context to extrapolate, Jesus was consistently against social iniquities caused by the accumulation of wealth throughout the entire NT. Your bible is a perfect anti-capitalist manifesto, whether you like it or not.