Allah's names -2

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]Ever notice how old mo would just create a 'revelation' from 'the god' to suit his purpose?[/quote]

Irony!

@BohemianBoo That was mohammed. Jesus never did that. Isaiah never did that, the apostles never did that. Your ignorance is showing again.

@hippyjoe1955 They all did. There is no god.
Accept for Thor. Thor is real and he is daddy.

@BohemianBoo Prove there is no god. If you could use logic which obviously you can't there must be a creator God. Everything we see and interact with is here by design and purpose. Therefore there must be a Designer who had a Purpose for the universe to exist. The silly idea that somehow nothing became something that later came to life is so stupid only idiots would believe it.

@hippyjoe1955 Nope. We both know that you can't prove a negative. It's on you to prove there's a god, just like it would be on a Polytheist to prove there are many gods.

[quote]Everything we see and interact with is here by design and purpose.[/quote]

Evidence?

[quote]The silly idea that somehow nothing became something that later came to life is so stupid only idiots would believe it.[/quote]

I don't believe that either, but that's not an argument for a god. It's just an argument that something caused the Big Bang. We don't know if that thing is a god.

@BohemianBoo You most certainly can prove a negative. If I give you a box and tell you it is full of marbles all you need to do is open the lid to prove that it is NOT full of marbles. You wanting to believe that materialism is the cause of all we see and know is reason enough not to engage in any discussions since your thoughts don't count. They are just little bits of nonsense that cease to exist when you cease to exist. Hang on to your delusions until you are dead.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote] You wanting to believe that materialism is the cause of all we see and know is reason enough not to engage in any discussions since your thoughts don't count.[/quote]

You're straw-manning because you know there's no evidence for a god.
I didn't say I wanted to believe that materialism is all there is. I said there's no evidence for a god.

@BohemianBoo Either there is a Creator God or there is materialism. There is no third option. Not a strawman at all. Those are your two options. Either there is a reason we are here (Creator God) or there is no reason we are here (materialism). I believe in the Creator God. You believe in materialism.

@hippyjoe1955 But you said that I [b]want[/b] to believe in materialism. I didn't say I wanted either. I said there's no evidence of gods. So there probably is just the material world.

@BohemianBoo I continue to say that you believe in materialism because you want to. You do have a choice and you refuse to think about it. Therefore it is a choice.

@hippyjoe1955 Sure I have. I haven't been able to come up with any logical evidence for a god. Neither have you.

@BohemianBoo So you honestly think that in the beginning was nothing and nothing remained nothing for a very very long time until suddenly for no reason at all - nothing exploded and became everything. Then some time later bits of everything got together and formed dinosaurs. How stupid is that for a belief system. Given that all the best biochemists in the world working with a functioning model can not create a new life form we are to believe that life just suddenly appeared? Really? The reason you believe the nonsense you believe is because you refuse to look at reality. There is nothing we can explain about our existence that we can explain with materialism. It simply can not be done. Even the physical laws is part of Creation not part of random chance (chaos).

@hippyjoe1955 See what you had to do? Instead of providing evidence for a god, you had to focus on a different explanation, then attack that explanation. You did this because you can't really defend believing in a god.
What you're basically saying is you don't know, so it had to be god.

You also betray a surprising lack of knowledge in science, but I guess you can't allow yourself to accept evolution.

@BohemianBoo I just pointed to all the evidence. You just denied it. You provide your evidence and I will laugh at it. Either there is a Creator God or the universe doesn't exist. The universe simply can not bring itself into existence.

@hippyjoe1955 But you didn't provide evidence. You just explained how you thought one of the many alternative explanations doesn't make sense. But that's not evidence of your explanation.

This would be like me arguing that the best form of travel is swimming by arguing that running is stupid. Okay, maybe running is stupid, but that's not an argument in favor of swimming.

And I'm not saying the universe brought itself into existence. I acknowledge that's one of the many possibilities, but that's all I see it as.

@BohemianBoo Before you dismiss my evidence you provide the mechanism by which nothing became something and life sprang from non living material. When you have done that then we can talk about evidence.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]Before you dismiss my evidence [/quote]

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Saying "I don't know, so it must be a god" is not evidence.

One possibility is that it was gods. Another possibility is that it was super powerful aliens. Each are equally plausible as neither have any evidence.

@BohemianBoo You don't even understand what evidence is. How sad is that. When you come up with a scientifically sound theory as to how the universe and all that is in it came to be get back to me. As it is your debating skills are at the level of a two year old who has plugged his ears and is yelling LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU!

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]When you come up with a scientifically sound theory as to how the universe and all that is in it came to be get back to me. [/quote]

Aliens.
Now, explain to me why the possibility that it was a god is any more plausible.

@BohemianBoo Aliens as people from other countries? Son let me explain something really basic. There is the NONCREATED CREATOR and there is the creation. Aliens (you mean interstellar travellers and not the humans coming across the US southern border) if they exist are part of the creation. Just like the most distant galaxy and the most remote star in that that galaxy. They are created by the CREATOR.

@hippyjoe1955 Our universe is inside of another universe. In that universe, aliens created our universe as part of a science experiment.

@BohemianBoo Sure they did. And you have evidence of that..... Do you read your own posts?

@hippyjoe1955 Nope. I have just as much evidence that it was aliens as you have that it was a god.

@BohemianBoo So tell you what son since you just admitted that the universe did not create itself nor did life spontaneously spring from nonliving matter...... You are halfway there to accepting that God created the universe. The only silly part is you just made the impossible even more impossible by saying that an impossible universe was the genesis of this impossible universe. that does not make any sense what so ever. Tell you what. You need to admit that the Supernatural created the natural. Our genesis is not found in the natural only the Supernatural is sufficient to explain our existence.

@hippyjoe1955 I think something caused the Big Bang. Other than that, I don't know where life came from. Saying a god created the Big Bang is making an assumption based on no evidence. Like I said, the idea that aliens from another universe created the Big Bang is just as plausible.

[quote]by saying that an impossible universe was the genesis of this impossible universe. that does not make any sense what so ever.[/quote]

Something can't come from nothing in OUR universe. How do you know the laws of physics are the same in other universes?
Is there no evidence of that? Welp, there's no evidence of gods either. So we're back to saying all of these are just possibilities and only Atheists can admit that we don't know.

And by the way, if you believe that a god created all that there is, then you have to accept that this god doesn't follow the laws of physics either since he either always was, or he just appeared one day. That's just as cray cray as my satirical alien theory.