Usually when I have discussions with non Muslims about Islam it’s never academic as it’s almost never about the teachings of the scripture or religion. It’s always country A or person B. When Muslims are 2 billion different people And Muslim majority countries vary economically socially linguistically culturally historically etc.. especially taking into consideration that throughout history some of the “best “ and “advanced “ nations and kingdoms were ruled by Muslims . So “Islam “ making a country backward or less advanced proven by history to be untrue. 🌿 Last but not least, I leave a verse from the Quran i like :
The prosperity / advancement of a land can change with the blink of an eye It’s always what’s in the heart. Hence I don’t really care when a non Muslim shouts how bad the situation is in country A or country B Oh and top of that leaving other normal advanced Muslim countries
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South Africa is majority Christian yet one of the worst places on earth to live in especially for women. So you have no point. You gotta debate religion not country because when we talk about country we talk human imperfections and pure politics
Muslim countries vary You have Indonesia Malaysia Why not talk about how great and tolerance these countries are ? Or uae Foreigners are now leaving their homes to go live and work in uae now And so on
Well I'd sooner live in South Africa than Afghanistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia where Christians are being beheaded for their faith. I'm not here to discuss regimes in other countries I simply wanted to know if you agreed with Sharia law, I'm not trying to catch you out I'm simply interested. You seem to have totally sidestepped my question, I just wanted a simple yes /no answer
Saudi Arabia is far better than South Africa Socially & economically etc By millions of times Unless you don’t know anything about Saudi Arabia or the world today in general.
Saudí Arabia is one of the G20 countries (The G20 is composed of most of the world's largest economies, ) On top that , It is The safest country especially among the G20 countries. “ Saudi Arabia has ranked the safest among G20 countries according to two reports on international indicators, outperforming the five permanent members of the UN Security Council.”
Moreover , It has one of the happiest populations in the world ! When it comes to happiness “Saudi Arabia has been ranked third among the GCC countries and 25th place in the world, ”
And while in south Africa rape is common In Saudi it’s almost non existence and age for marriage is 18+ In Saudi while many non Muslim countries have it at lower age
Moreover women in Saudi are business owners Theyr teachers Engineers Surgeons Etc And no head covering or face covering is enforced by law in Saudi
Saudi is filled with concerts seasons and events Has some of best technology and places to visit. While in usa even ambulance you need to pay for In Saudi health care and education are for free for citizens
+ The non Muslims who come live or visit Saudi Arabia are treated with love and respect You can see such videos on YouTube of foreign travelers visiting Saudi
Actually a huge portion of Saudi Arabia's population today is actually foreign residents immigrants or expats.
so I don’t know what image of “Saudi “ You have in your mind But it’s definitely lacking a lot of accuracy.
And you also forget many Muslim countries Like Egypt, Maldives, untied Arab emirates , Malaysia , Indonesia etc But you’d rather see one side of the coin And I can do that very easily about every religion
@TheWildEcho And you keep saying “sharia law” But again there is no such thing as one sharia law id like to see it There are literally different opinions , books and schools for sharia Muslims all their lives disagreed about what sharia is So you literally have absolutely no knowledge
And I have visited and lived in many Muslim countries and I currently live in one.
Some of the safest most hospitable and advanced countries I visited were Muslim countries But what you do is give one country like Afghanistan that is suffering politically like many other non Muslim countries And say “ go live there” pathetic approach to an academic discussion
@Islamreligion when did I say go live in Afghanistan? I didn't, you clearly didn't read my post properly, I would never tell anyone to go and live anywhere they didn't want to!!
@Islamreligion I just read the book infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Saudi Arabia was one of the countries she lived in and it sounds terrible for women. They are not allowed to go anywhere without a male escort. They also are not able to choose who they marry and I’m sure sometimes these women will have to have sex with a husband t the hey don’t want which is rape. This type of rape would not be reported to the police. So I don’t think we really know how much unreported rape that happens in that country. Also it sounds terrible to have to dress like that in a hot desert. I have heard rhey are finally starting to allow women to drive though so to be fair that sounds like an improvement.
@Bandit2398 lies you can go everywhere with no male in Saudi Just today I took a train ALONE from a city to another Bunch of lies and misinformation Unfortunately. Saudi is not a representation of Islam It represents itself only. Few years ago women couldn’t drive (the only Muslim country that didn’t allow women to drive ) for years now women drive in Saudi
Did Saudi change or the religion change ? Prophet Mohammed never said women can’t drive lol cars didn’t exist back then moreover women back then rode camels just fine
And in Islam a woman must consent for marriage You lack accurate information about Islam
Today there are many Hindu /Buddhism countries in the gutter Lacking socially economically Since when is a country a criteria to judge a religion that existed for hundreds or thousands of years ?
There is a hadith of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) that prohibits forced marriage of girls in Islam. The hadith was written as Saheeh Muslim in 1419 and is also included in Saheeh al-Bukhari 6968. The Holy Prophet said that “a woman (whether she is a virgin, divorced, or a widow) cannot be married to anyone until her permission is sought.” This shows that Islam does not condone forced marriages.
Forced marriges is a cultural thing not religious it happens even in India by Hindu families — So Please speak academically about Islam or do not. You are free to speak ill of any country or politics But relating “religion “ to how a country functions is not an academic case to present
@Islamreligion https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/01/saudi-women-can-now-travel-without-a-male-guardian-reports-say According to this article things have changed in Saudi Arabia since aryaan hirisi ali lived there so we might both be right.
“ changed in Saudi Arabia since ” In Saudi Arabia before the 70s-80s , Women used to wear whatever they want no cover needed etc… Then extremism entered Saudi And remained for some decades And now saudi is getting rid of the extremism and simply going back to how things were , moderate accurate Islam.
So which Saudi are we gonna judge Islam by? Saudí before the extremism , or during extremism , or now that it’s trying to go back to how it was before extremism ?
Funny how when Islam is mentioned people rush to mention Saudi who is barely 100 years old Instead of scripture
“Look at Country A or B “ is a delusional game Especially that Islamic kingdoms fell and rose throughout history
Since we do not judge a country by its past Otherwise no country today would stand a chance
And when are we going to talk religion instead of a country that is barely 100 years old with changing law? Or the fact before 70-80s women in Saudi wore whatever they wanted but it was the extremism movement that changed everything and now saudi is going back to how things were before extremism ?
