Why do Muslims fast in the month of Ramadan ?🤔🤔

@Northwest
Great point.
Islam is an abrahamic religion so no wonder we have similarities.

And if we are going to view it in that way ,
Fasting preceded Christianity in abrahamic faiths such as Judaism or non abrahamic like Hinduism etc ..
The Quran confirms it
Al-Baqarah - Verse 183
{
O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous -
}
We Muslims actually believe that the first people that ever fasted were actually Adam and Eve
So no wonder fasting found its way in different forms throughout time

A better wording for it would be
A form of worship rather than a tradition.

Have a great day

@Islamreligion Jews do not have a fasting "season". It is mandated on Yom Kippur (one day). Typically, in Judaism. fating is done as an atonement, or in some sects for certain occasions: the day before you get married, a death in the family, etc.

@Northwest I never said season
I meant the idea of fasting existed in Judaism Hinduism etc before Christianity
So Christianity didn’t invent it just like prophet Mohammed didn’t invent it

@Northwest
Christianity is named after Christ
Judaism after Judah
Hinduism after the region of India
Buddhism after Buddha
These religions are named after things/ people /places

However do you know what Islam means?
Islam is an Arabic word which in english means “submission to the one and only God”
We believe Adam Noah Abraham Jacob Moses Jesus etc
Were all Muslims (by the “definition “ of the word Muslim )
They all submitted their own will to God.

So In our beliefs , islam existed from the beginning of time, from Adam and Eve

To us Mohammed is but the final prophet from God.
So no wonder
There are many similarities between islam and judaism /Christianity
Not only fasting but many other things too

@Islamreligion Yes. I'm aware what the name Islam means.

Today, in several countries, the penalty of leaving Islam is death, so it's not really about voluntary submission aka islam.

As to the origins of Islam, the bulk conversions took place under penalty of death. While I am an atheist, I am well versed in the history of Islam.

@Northwest
1/There are things which are extremely clear in Islam , especially the basics and foundation.
But there are other things , which are debatable due to insufficient evidence.
For instance , some scholars say that Islam tells the woman to cover her face while others say no it’s only hair and each provide their case.
Hence why we see many Muslims today covering their hair only while others their face too
But they are both equally Muslims.
( a woman can also still be Muslim without covering either )
Similarly, Apostasy is a debatable matter in Islam. yes many major religious figures spoke about the punishment being death.
However , not only in our 21st century , but even as early as after the death of the prophet Mohammed and
Even as early as the 8 th century and even today. I could give you names of endless Muslim scholars who spoke out throughout history against it.
Now why is it debatable ?

1/ not a single Apostate was killed during the lifetime of prophet Mohammed. Insufficient biographical evidence.
2/ the only evidence that scholars have are a few hadiths ascribed to prophet Mohammed which say to kill the apostate. however , we don’t know when and in what situation it was said and it contradicts the Quran (look at point 3)
3/ the punishment for apostasy is not mentioned in the Quran! Imagine the punishment for adultery theft etc are all mentioned in the Quran yet something which is supposedly worse (apostasy) , the punishment for it is not mentioned in the Quran. But we actually see the opposite in the Quran.
4/ in the peace treaty that prophet Mohammed did with the pagans of Mecca one of the conditions is that any person who leave Islam and return to paganism shall be allowed to return safely to Mecca from Medina and prophet Mohammed agreed to it And many other examples.

So as a Muslim myself , i do not believe in that belief that some groups of Muslims and individuals might have.
But in specific cases like treason and fitna

“ the bulk conversions took place under penalty of death. ”
That is absolute not true
It is extremely prohibited to force a non Muslim to become Muslim
That is agreed upon by all scholars.
Not only during the life time of Mohammed but even after
when Muslims took over Egypt Jerusalem Spain etc
There was no forced conversions
And no church etc were destroyed
That is a historical fact
Actually Muslims were the minority for decades in the regions they ruled over
Which is a proof enough that there was no such thing as forced conversions
Maybe minor ones throughout history especially as radicals showed up
But it does not define the religion

@Islamreligion
Hardly, but I don't expect historical accuracy from. On the other hand, I am not blinded by religion, and I can still think for myself.

All that typing, and you still managed to avoid the fact that Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran execute apostates.

@Northwest
Im well aware
Saudi Arabia has such law
But did Saudi ever actually kill someone solely for apostasy ?
Because all the recorded executions are for murder rape etc
I would like the full name and year of a person who was killed in Saudi just for apostasy with no other crime combined.

“there have been 'no confirmed reports of executions for
apostasy' between 1913 and 2013“
^ Saudi Arabia , taking in mind saudi was founded in 1932.
EITHER WAY
I talk religion sir not country A and country B and how they function.
Because today we have majorly Buddhist countries yet they are different in their conditions just as different
as the sun and the moon
Some are rich and advanced and lalala
And others are in the gutter and lack in rights and education etc
We also have Christian “‘majority countries “
(Because theyr all secular and not “Christian” )
That are economically and socially etc good
But others like South Africa and so on which are some of the worst places to live on earth especially for women
Similarly,
We have advanced modern tolerant Muslim countries and others which are not that much
And throughout history great Muslim kingdoms rose and fell
So I do not see how we can judge a religion based on a country that didn’t even exist back then when prophet Mohammed started to preach Islam.

What
I find interesting is how I spoke scripture and religious facts and you speak countries.
If we speak the latter it’s literally the most contradicting topic
Since each Muslim country functions differently and always did and always will

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Saudi Arabia for the longest didn’t allow women to drive based on no religious evidence but somehow managed to relate it to religion
While literally All the other Muslim countries had women driving.
But For years now women in Saudi drive.
What changed ? Did Islam change ?
was the ban a religious thing or not ?
Not religious.
Im sure back then during the time of prophet Mohammed cars didn’t even exist. The women even used to ride the camels.

It was a choice saudi made merely based on culture until they came to their senses.
Saudi Arabia has rapidly changed its laws in the past years and it keeps on doing it
So hmm are we now gonna judge Islam based on how Saudi Arabia functions, especially with its changing laws ?
If so , Im sorry i cannot have a proper religious discussion with you with all due respect

@Islamreligion https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-execution-apostasy/saudi-court-gives-death-penalty-to-man-who-renounced-his-muslim-faith-idUSKBN0LS0S620150224

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/20/pakistan-rawalpindi-court-sentences-woman-death-whatsapp-blasphemy

@Northwest
I was talking about Saudi so I’ll ignore the second link
As for the first link ,
He was arrested for shaming and disrespecting the religion in public in such a hideous way and not simply converting out of Islam
Moreover ,
“Sentenced a man to death”
Yet no name or year
Or proof of such thing happening
Many times saudi sentenced people to death then put them in jail instead
Once you provide that proof maybe we can talk

And I find it surprising how you ignore everything I said and just reply to the first sentence I wrote .
I repeat :

EITHER WAY
I talk religion sir not country A and country B and how they function.
Because today we have majorly Buddhist countries yet they are different in their conditions just as different
as the sun and the moon
Some are rich and advanced and lalala
And others are in the gutter and lack in rights and education etc
We also have Christian “‘majority countries “
(Because theyr all secular and not “Christian” )
That are economically and socially etc good
But others like South Africa and so on which are some of the worst places to live on earth especially for women
Similarly,
We have advanced modern tolerant Muslim countries and others which are not that much
And throughout history great Muslim kingdoms rose and fell
So I do not see how we can judge a religion based on a country that didn’t even exist back then when prophet Mohammed started to preach Islam.

What
I find interesting is how I spoke scripture and religious facts and you speak countries.
If we speak the latter it’s literally the most contradicting topic
Since each Muslim country functions differently and always did and always will

—-
Saudi Arabia for the longest didn’t allow women to drive based on no religious evidence but somehow managed to relate it to religion
While literally All the other Muslim countries had women driving.
But For years now women in Saudi drive.
What changed ? Did Islam change ?
was the ban a religious thing or not ?
Not religious.
Im sure back then during the time of prophet Mohammed cars didn’t even exist. The women even used to ride the camels.

It was a choice saudi made merely based on culture until they came to their senses.
Saudi Arabia has rapidly changed its laws in the past years and it keeps on doing it
So hmm are we now gonna judge Islam based on how Saudi Arabia functions, especially with its changing laws ?
If so , Im sorry i cannot have a proper religious discussion with you with all due respect

@Islamreligion
The year is mentioned in that link, but you chose to ignore it. As to name, this is the funniest thing you've said so far, it's as if you have no clue that names and details are never released by the Saudis.


A distinction without a difference, when the overwhelming majority of Muslims, live by the rules of these countries, it makes absolutely no difference. Time to take your head out of the sand you've got it buried in, and acknowledge that Islam today needs mega reform, and sadly, the irony is that no one even dares say it, their heads will literally roll, and you will justify it because "they shamed the religion in public". 🤣

@Northwest
Every country has different rules
Things in Japan that are illegal are legal in usa
And things which are legal in Singapore are illegal in france
And so on
Saudi never claimed freedom of speech
Anyone who brutally dishonors the National religion of the country publically
Will go to prison
Respect the rules of the country you live in or leave
It’s not a religious matter it’s a regime
Each country has its own rules.
As for prophet Mohammed whenever he was told brutal things like mad man blalala
He used to ignore them
It’s proven in the Quran and Hadith
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“
The year is mentioned in that link, but you chose to ignore it. As to name, this is the funniest thing you've said so far, it's as if you have no clue that names and details are never released by the Saudis.
”
Saudi never sentenced anyone to death without name or full details to public.
So yes lol name is important and the fact if it actually happened or not.
Because I heard about people who were “sentenced to death “ in saudi but then Saudi changed it to prison for some years.
He might be one of those .
So yes saudi actually never sentenced anyone to death for pure apostasy


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“A distinction without a difference, when the overwhelming majority of Muslims, live by the rules of these countries, it makes absolutely no difference.”

Again many Muslim countries don’t
And Muslim kingdoms rose and fell throughout history
So Yeah sir you don’t have an argument until you start speaking religion than countries
And not everyone who live in such countries agree with such rules
A wise man once said :

@Northwest
“ you will justify it because "they shamed the religion in public". 🤣”
I didn’t justify it don’t put words in my mouth
I was showing that it has nothing to do with apostasy solely
It was about a man talking shit against a regime
So it’s politics