I Am Fascinated By Science, Religion, and Philosophy

@Northwest DNA debunks evolution.

@hippyjoe1955 I forgot to add, that I did not read the bulk of the comments, because they're from you: useless, pointless and with nothing to back them up.

@Northwest As somebody trained as a scientist, I sort of disagree. Origins and first principles are certainly tantalizing and engaging, but they're not testable. They're also epistemological nightmares. How did life start? [i]All this life here?[/i] That's impossible to walk back. We can possible answer how *some life* started, come up with plausible explanations. But we can't really get at how all this life started. The same with what was before the big bang. Or even parallel universes. There might be some clever ways to test parallel universes, or what's on the other end of a black hole-- but walking *all this stuff* to before the big bang? Not so much.

@Northwest that's ok I ignore your stupidity too.

@CopperCicada I didn't say we have any idea what the origin of life is, or exactly where to look, or that it's possible to test it.

What we possibly have a clear goal for, is time 0+1 picosecond, but not prior to that.

What I said, is that the quest for the origin of life, is what drives science.

What I also said, is that until the origin of life is figured out, we will continue discovering, and fine tuning our knowledge of individual branches of science.

@hippyjoe1955 I know. Your knowledge is derived from the conversations you have with the creator, during those 1 on 1 sessions you have, whenever you're abducted on one of your "visits".

A lot of people report those as alien abductions. Most come back with tales of anal probing. Does that ever happen to you?

@Northwest [quote]Most come back with tales of anal probing. Does that ever happen to you?[/quote]

If it hasn't he sure needs it.

@Northwest actually i Unlike you THINK. You simply parrot. Mindlessly endlessly parrot thinking yourself wise and thus becoming a fool. Sad.

@hippyjoe1955 You should try learning some sentence construction before you challenge others' intellects.

@Northwest I guess I have to disagree. The origins of life-- abiogenesis-- is just one sliver of scientific inquiry, as is cosmogenesis.

@CopperCicada We're not talking about the same thing. The Cosmos existed for billions of years, prior to the existence of biological systems.

You could say that our universe, is but one of a fixed, or infinite number of universes, or that we're going through an infinite cycle of explosions/implosions, but the original point, that started it all, is what I refer to as the origin of life.

Abiogenesis exists within Cosmogenesis.

@Northwest Yes. I get that abiogenesis takes place in cosmogenesis. 🙄

If not, then life would be outside the universe, right?

I'm just questioning this:

[i]Figuring out the origin of life, is the ultimate goal of science.[/i]

I disagree.

@CopperCicada [quote]Yes. I get that abiogenesis takes place in cosmogenesis. 🙄

If not, then life would be outside the universe, right?
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I was not trying to say that the second part of your statement, is related to the first.

I don't know where life started, or what life even means. I can try to guess, based on what I perceive as "life", but I will probably be wrong, because our current understanding of life, in no way, can explain how the universe was created. So, I don't, out of hand, dismiss life outside the "boundaries" of universe.

[quote]Figuring out the origin of life, is the ultimate goal of science.

I disagree.[/quote]

I agree to disagree, but that's just an opinion. To me, science is about explaining and understanding. The more explaining science does, the more questions it raises, and to me, the ultimate goal of "explaining", is to explain it all.

@Northwest You impose a false hierarchy of problems by presuming that abiogenesis is the [b]ultimate goal[/b] of all of science. That's all I'm challenging.

@CopperCicada Like I said, we're not talking about the same thing. I am not suggesting, or implying, that abiogenesis is the ultimate goal of all of science.

@Northwest 🤔

@Northwest not all science but it certainly is the intent of the person doing the original post. Head much admitted it when he said hee was an atheist. What I find funny is those who argue evolution then deny abiogenesis. What was the debate about?

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]What I find funny is those who argue evolution then deny abiogenesis[/quote]

Clearly you don't understand what abiogenesis is. It the evolution of life, from non living matter.

[quote]What was the debate about?[/quote]

Science. Nothing you have a clue about.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]DNA debunks evolution[/quote]

In what way?

How, specifically, does DNA debunk evolution?

The lecturn is all yours... go ahead.

Failing that,we could examine some of the DNA evidence and assess the implications for evolution.

Shall we do that?

@newjaninev2 @Northwest I'm blocked from the rest of the thread. I'm guessing Hippyjoe?

@CopperCicada As the creator of the discussion, can I unblock you?

@Northwest My friend, Copper is debating in a civil manner. Can you not do the same? You are arguing with the hippie guy? He is a religious fanatic. Spanko too. He spanks adult children FCS.

@CopperCicada Maybe hippyjoe has blocked you from viewing his comments... but he's not the OP, and he didn't initiate this particular thread, did he?

@CopperCicada did humans come from different origins.