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To quote a wise person.

The obedient view themselves as virtuous , never cowardly. Now that "science" is admitting fault, the people will say, "But I did my best and I trusted the science". Problem is your were lied to the whole time and now your are medically damaged and you still can not discern truth from 'science'.
@AbbySvenz [quote]You
Keep saying that the vaccine is worse than the virus, and yet have cited no numbers[/quote]
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]Neither do you.[/quote]
Someone is asking for numbers? How about the per capita death rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated in the US in 2021. They are pretty decisive, although we all know dippyjoe rejects everything that could possibly refute his preconceptions.

[u]Executive Summary:[/u]
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.

In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.

This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.

Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.

[u]Details[/u]
Source [b]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm[/b]
is a CDC analysis of 25 geographically dispersed US jurisdictions. It presents statistics on Covid incidence and death rates broken up by "wave" (dates) and age, separately for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Most of the key data is in TABLE 1.

[b]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm[/b]

[u]Discussion[/u]
Note that the period is Apr-Dec 2021; why? In the first quarter of 2021 we were busily vaccinating the 65+ cohort; the most vulnerable. There was an excess of unvaccinated deaths in that period and not enough vaccinated people to make a fair comparison. Including that timeperiod would skew the data to make vaccines look even better than they are.

Note that the total deaths add up to 117,207, while the total 2021 US Covid death toll was about 550,000. That is because this data is for 25 representative jurisdictions, not the whole nation. This data represents over a quarter of US deaths, so percentages from it are statistically representative of the overall US Covid situation.

Vaccine effectiveness (VE) declined from the pre-delta to the delta to the omicron waves, but vaccines still provided significant protection.
[quote]The age-standardized IRR for cases in unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons was 13.9 during April–May and progressively declined to 8.7 during June, 5.1 during July–November, and 3.1 during December, coinciding with the periods of Delta emergence, Delta predominance, and Omicron emergence, respectively. This decline suggests a change in crude VE for infection from 93% during April–May, to 89% during June, 80% during July–November, and to 68% during December. Age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons were relatively stable; crude VE for deaths was 95% during April–May, 94% during June, and 94% during July–November.[/quote]

Booster doses were highly effective.
[quote] During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively.[/quote]

Incidence rate ratios
[quote]IRRs were calculated by dividing incidence among unvaccinated persons by incidence among fully vaccinated persons (overall and by receipt of booster doses); after detrending the underlying linear changes in incidence[/quote]
@hippyjoe1955 As expected, you can't support your claim about adverse reactions in Germany, so you are changing the subject.

Suncor? Never heard of 'em! I looked them up though; not even the biggest oil producer in Canada!! They hardly count as "Big Oil" LOL!!!

One other little niggling issue. Suncor is not the majority owner of any of AB's wind farms, LOL!!!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Why don't you just admit you don't know half of what you think you do and retire. Your ignorance and denial is beyond belief. The facts are that energy companies are ENERGY companies. They work to produce ENERGY. They don't care if they are producing oil or gas or electricity or coal or nuclear. They are energy companies. The problem you have is that you want to blame an inanimate object AKA an energy company instead of the owners of the energy companies. Your logic is kind of my car ran over someone today. It was doing 90 miles an hour down a residential street when it happened. The car didn't do that. The driver did that. Energy companies are only in business because the OWNERS want to make money. If there was no money to be made the company would cease to exist today.
@hippyjoe1955 After you, Alphonse, [b]LOL!!![/b]

Suncor ain't "Big Oil." Exxon is the world's FOURTH largest oil producing company. Chevron is #7. Suncor doesn't make the top ten. Just because Suncor dominates your little corner of Canada doesn't make it a big player.


Alas, Suncor didn't make the top 20, [b]LOL!!![/b]
AbbySvenz · F
Science is replaced or refined by better science.

That’s not a bug, it’s a feature 🤷‍♀️
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@AbbySvenz No one knows. The data has been played with.
AbbySvenz · F
Come back when you have hard data to compare, then @hippyjoe1955
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@AbbySvenz Right back at you.
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